Did Osama Win?

pineinthegrass wrote: While there's no question bin Laden's acts have led to vast expense and diversion of resourses for the US, I'm not sure it was a personal victory for him.

How would you of liked to live in that dump of a house for 6 years without ever going outside? And now he sleeps with the fishes.

Just so you know-Only self centered Americans place so much importance on thier meaningless lives..

Life Experience....Look into it

Vice Lord wrote: I know this isn't a popular centiment but by any measure 911 wasn't that big a deal in the grand scheme of things..

I thought, and still think, that idiots running around claiming that 9/11 had "changed the world forever" were just that, idiots. Only if we let it change our whole world folks, only if we let it....

Which of course we did.

Vice Lord wrote: Just so you know-Only self centered Americans put so much importance on thier meaningless lives..

Life Experience....Look into it

YOU calling anyone self centered is laughable beyond belief.

And you didn't even get my point.

AspenValley wrote:

Vice Lord wrote: I know this isn't a popular centiment but by any measure 911 wasn't that big a deal in the grand scheme of things..

I thought, and still think, that idiots running around claiming that 9/11 had "changed the world forever" were just that, idiots. Only if we let it change our whole world folks, only if we let it....

Which of course we did.

On 911 my first thought was: what are they so mad about? while most Americans thought

"We gotta kill every arab on earth!"

I'm a dumb guy, I can't spell, I can't construct a sentance, I've made incredibly bad decisions and mistakes in my life and I can't even do highschool algerbra, but I know i'm smarter than the "we gotta kill every Muslim on earth" crowd. And the Tea Baggers...One in the same for the most part

pineinthegrass wrote:

Vice Lord wrote: Just so you know-Only self centered Americans put so much importance on thier meaningless lives..

Life Experience....Look into it

YOU calling anyone self centered is laughable beyond belief.

And you didn't even get my point.

No, you missed mine Corkey. I'm willing to die for my freedoms, worker rights and my wife and kids- and probably a few other things if I think about it. Osama was clearly willing to die for his cause and was probably shocked that he lived as long as he did.

You say he "lost" because he had to live in a "dump" for 6 years... lol

You're a very simple man aren't you?

In the end he lost (obviously) but along the way he pushed us to subvert our Constitution, wreck our economy, ruin our international reputation and poison our public discourse.

chickaree wrote: In the end he lost (obviously) but along the way he pushed us to subvert our Constitution, wreck our economy, ruin our international reputation and poison our public discourse.

Well other than that what do you think he was trying to acomplish? Have you ever even listened to the guy? You must empathize with your enemy, whomever or whatever it is

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OmniScience wrote:

SS109 wrote: There is some evidence that there have been hundreds of terrorists thwarted by the increased military and law enforcement presence, but these might not have happened if we hadn't invaded both Afghanistan & Iraq, and Kuwait, and Iraq before that.

When did the United States 'invade' Kuwait? If I remember correctly, that was Saddam during his 'mother of all wars' period.

Actually Osama ramped up his hate for America when US troops were first stationed in Saudi Arabia, the home of Mecca. To see armed infidels on holy ground got him planning.
And we invaded Kuwait to expel Sadddam's troops and restore the local monarchy.

Ho Chi Min might have killed more Americans, but Osama disrupted America and imperiled the American homeland more than the North Vietnamese or even Adolf Hitler.

Vice Lord wrote:

AspenValley wrote:

Vice Lord wrote: I know this isn't a popular centiment but by any measure 911 wasn't that big a deal in the grand scheme of things..

I thought, and still think, that idiots running around claiming that 9/11 had "changed the world forever" were just that, idiots. Only if we let it change our whole world folks, only if we let it....

Which of course we did.

On 911 my first thought was: what are they so mad about? while most Americans thought

"We gotta kill every arab on earth!"

I'm a dumb guy, I can't spell, I can't construct a sentance, I've made incredibly bad decisions and mistakes in my life and I can't even do highschool algerbra, but I know i'm smarter than the "we gotta kill every Muslim on earth" crowd. And the Tea Baggers...One in the same for the most part

Pot calling kettle? You attack the TEA Party saying they lump all Muslims into the same group wheras you just did the same with them.
Some TEA Party people are birthers, some are neo-cons, but others are isolationists and most are just fiscal conservatives. You believe that they are all like the ones you see on MSNBC.

pineinthegrass wrote: While there's no question bin Laden's acts have led to vast expense and diversion of resourses for the US, I'm not sure it was a personal victory for him.

How would you of liked to live in that dump of a house for 6 years without ever going outside? And now he sleeps with the fishes.

Very religious people can have different views of what is a quality life. Suffering can be its own reward.

While I don't think Obama and Al Qaida won the War on Terror, it is still continuing at great cost to both sides.