Satellite Images of North Korea Prison Camps

13 May 2011 14:01 #21 by CinnamonGirl
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Torture is inhuman in any case!!! It is not right.

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16 May 2011 05:55 #22 by TPP
DO we agree to disagree?
I will agree that torture is inhuman, but in some cases it is an necessary evil.

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16 May 2011 07:08 #23 by TPP
Rememeber "Religion of Peace!"
An Eye-For-An-Eye In Iran: Seems Fair Enough To Me

The procedure was planned for Tehran at midday on Saturday in the presence of Ameneh Bahrami, the young woman he attacked and blinded, under a sentence called qesas (retribution in kind) imposed by a court in 2009.

She had demanded that the blinding be carried out after her university classmate Majid Movahedi threw a bucket of acid over her when she spurned his repeated offers of marriage. The punishment had been due to be carried out at the judiciary hospital in Tehran, under the supervision of a doctor and with representatives of the coroners’ office and the prosecution present.

Miss Bahrami, who now lives in Spain, was 24 when she first met Mr Movahedi in Iran.

She has undergone several operations which have failed to restore her sight, and is still badly disfigured from the attack. She recently said she was prepared to blind Mr Movahedi herself.

“I’ve suffered so much in these years but now I am really happy,” Miss Bahrami said in an interview with an Iranian newspaper.
“The verdict is completely legal and I would like to carry it out. But if it is not possible, then the physician designated by the judiciary will do it,” she said.

She has argued that carrying out the sentence will spare other Iranian women from suffering acid attacks by men
http://rightwingnews.com/crime/an-eye-for-an-eye-in-iran-seems-fair-enough-to-me/

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16 May 2011 07:25 #24 by CinnamonGirl
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All I know is revenge does not change anything. And i am not saying this about all cases but I hate the attitude to where "someone has to pay' Human nature is to make mistakes.

TPP, the person that did this to her was horrible but I will say again, losing it yourself and doing it back makes you just as bad as them. Focusing on your attacker? I won't lose my dignity because someone did this. I am willing to bet she will not feel better for blinding another human being. I have had things happen to me in my life and I WILL NOT be obsessed with revenge. Bringing yourself down to being a murderer or hurting someone else because I was hurt is just the same. And putting someone in jail, torturing them the rest of their life is not good Karma and would not make me feel better.

I do not subscribe to eye for an eye. Her time would be better spent helping others that are blind or some other community service.

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16 May 2011 07:30 #25 by V_A

CinnamonGirl wrote:

PrintSmith wrote: And who are the people who are put into solitary for years CG? What are their realistic chances of survival in the general population? Do we allow the likes of the Unabomber to walk around? How about the inmates who have murdered repeatedly while incarcerated for life without parole? Remember what happened to Jeff Dahmer? What other alternative exists for the likes of a Vaughn Orrin?


Yes, but solitary without TV? It is torture and they are usually mentally ill. Increasingly, many who would have been in mental hospitals are put in prison. This is wrong! You can protect yourself without abuse. I think those guards get so used to this that they don't think critically.


When did TV become a right? or the lack of TV become abuse?

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16 May 2011 07:37 #26 by CinnamonGirl
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When you are locked up with nothing to do? Fine, then give them books whatever.

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16 May 2011 08:20 #27 by chickaree
Torture has been shown repeatedly to be ineffective. It is a form of terrorism alone. We cannot change the behavior of other nations, but we should not allow them to degrade our own. To pretend our prison system is a model of anything is delusional. We neither effectively rehabilitate nor punish. We merely warehouse and run a university of crime for all the inmates. It's a mess.

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16 May 2011 09:16 #28 by CinnamonGirl
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chickaree wrote: Torture has been shown repeatedly to be ineffective. It is a form of terrorism alone. We cannot change the behavior of other nations, but we should not allow them to degrade our own. To pretend our prison system is a model of anything is delusional. We neither effectively rehabilitate nor punish. We merely warehouse and run a university of crime for all the inmates. It's a mess.


Agree. North Korea most likely does not have a fair legal system. They are two different problems. But even if someone is guilty, going to the extreme of making every day of their life a living hell is worse than capital punishment.

All I know is that group think is where some of these problems start. North Korea is a different issue.

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16 May 2011 09:21 #29 by TPP

CinnamonGirl wrote: When you are locked up with nothing to do? Fine, then give them books whatever.

I would take waterboarding over paper CUTS, any time, NOW PAPER CUTS and some salt water THAT' TORTURE!

chickaree wrote: Torture has been shown repeatedly to be ineffective. It is a form of terrorism alone. We cannot change the behavior of other nations, but we should not allow them to degrade our own. To pretend our prison system is a model of anything is delusional. We neither effectively rehabilitate nor punish. We merely warehouse and run a university of crime for all the inmates. It's a mess.

Totally Disagree
There's a prision in Az, with an 80%+ SUCCESS rate, so guess PUNISHMENT WORKKS, or they're all moving to California.

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16 May 2011 09:36 #30 by chickaree
Are you saying that there is a prison in Arizona where 80% of the inmates go on to live productive, crime-free lives? I would love to see the information on that as it would be a model we could confidently promote here in Colorado.

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