Arizona fires

The Viking wrote:
Not a chance! Liberal logic: Logging companies = evil, forest fire = serves them right for living there and disturbiing a mouse or an owl!

wow....did you get hurt trying to untwist yourself after thinking up that convoluted logic? Ouch....

I'm a liberal (you knew that) I live in the woods.....I do fire mitigation to protect my home....got a problem with that logic?????

Generalizations don't really work very well, do they?

If we could just get away from them, we might actually be able to have some good discussions.

But, I'm a dreamer.

Thank God, we had G.W. TRY and stop the madness…

Forest health debate rages long after 2002 fires extinguished
February 15, 2003
“During the height of the fire season in August 2002, President Bush announced the Healthy Forests Initiative, which directed the USDA and CEQ to develop administrative and legislative measures to help reduce the threat of catastrophic wildfire to forests and rangelands.
Since then, rules have been proposed and environmentalists have responded strongly to what they see as a diminishing of environmental protections and public involvement in the management of national forests. They also argue that policies are being proposed that wrongfully alter the appeals process.”
http://www.cyberwest.com/cw22/western_fires_2002.shtml

And yet the wackos keep fighting…

Forest Service rewriting Bush logging rule
Publication: AP Online
Publish date: December 18, 2009
Author: JEFF BARNARD Copyright

After striking out the last three times, the U.S. Forest Service is embarking on another rewrite of the basic planning rule that balances logging against fish and wildlife and clean water in national forests.
Echoing his speech earlier this year laying out a greener future for the national forests, Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack announced from Washington, D.C., on Thursday that work is starting on an environmental impact statement to take the place of the most recent one produced by the Bush administration that was struck down by a federal judge.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1A1-D9CLQDC02.html

Found this GREAT SITE!!! REALLY CHECK OUT THIS SITE, LOTS OF INFO, PICTURES...

"At the present time, there are too many bureaucrats, too many environmentalist groups, and too many environmentalists within the forest service to let any comprehensive change in the management of our wildlands take place. There is strong environmentalists opposition to President Bush and Chief Bosworth for having the audacity to try and revitalize our National Forests. Chief Bosworth’s "fixing the game" and President Bush’s Healthy Forests Initiative can only succeed with the support of everyone who wants to preserve our national lands."
http://www.thefurtrapper.com/forest_mismanagement.htm

regardless of land management - Arizona's mountains weren't helped by the fact that there was almost no snow there, this winter.

Agreed, and that's what scary (I don't know between 9k-6k) here...

A good article on this subject - http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?secti ... id=8182359

Warnings of "perfect storm" as fire nears New Mexico

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/ ... JD20110612

With the winds picking up, temperatures rising and humidity low, the National Weather Service issued a Red Flag Warning for this sparsely populated corner of the state, indicating grave fire danger.

"Everything is ripe for a perfect storm," Fire Information Officer Sean Johnson told Reuters.

"There's not enough hose and water to put out a fire in these conditions."

Firefighters raced to set controlled fires, designed to deny the advancing wall of flames the fuel it needs, "so we can manage the fire instead of the fire managing us," Johnson said.

From the article Jfca1 linked:

Some critics put the responsibility on environmentalists for lawsuits that have cut back on logging. Others blame overzealous firefighters for altering the natural cycle of lightning-sparked fires that once cleared the forest floor.

Either way, forests across the West that once had 50 trees per acre now have hundreds, sometimes thousands, and much of the landscape is choked with tinder-dry brush.

The density of the growth has fueled immense conflagrations in recent years, like now burning in the Apache-Sitgreaves National Forest.

"I think what is happening proves the debate," said state Sen. Sylvia Allen, a Republican from rural Snowflake.

Southwest Wildfires and Global Warming, Explained

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/sout ... explained/

WayneH wrote: From the article Jfca1 linked:

Some critics put the responsibility on environmentalists for lawsuits that have cut back on logging. Others blame overzealous firefighters for altering the natural cycle of lightning-sparked fires that once cleared the forest floor. (MY COMMENT would those be "overzealous" UNION fightfighters? Still think that's, not true, but...)
Either way, forests across the West that once had 50 trees per acre now have hundreds, sometimes thousands, and much of the landscape is choked with tinder-dry brush.
The density of the growth has fueled immense conflagrations in recent years, like now burning in the Apache-Sitgreaves National Forest.
"I think what is happening proves the debate," said state Sen. Sylvia Allen, a Republican from rural Snowflake.

THANK YOU, UNREPONSABLE ENVIRONMENTALWACKOS, hope you FEEL safe in your city dwellings! POOPYHEADS!!