Oceans are increasingly at risk

20 Jun 2011 16:04 #1 by Something the Dog Said
"The health of the world's oceans is declining much faster than originally thought — under siege from pollution, overfishing and other man-made problems all at once — scientists say in a new report.

The mix of interacting ingredients is in place for a mass extinction in the world's oceans, said a report by a top panel of scientists that will be presented to the United Nations on Tuesday.

The report says the troubles from global warming and other factors are worse when they combine with each other. Factors include dead zones from farm run-off, an increase in acidity from too much carbon dioxide, habitat destruction and melting sea ice, along with overfishing."

"Some of the changes affecting the world's seas — all of which have been warned about individually in the past — are happening faster than the worst case scenarios that were predicted just a few years ago, the report said."

"Lundin pointed to deaths of 1,000-year-old coral in the Indian Ocean and called it "really unprecedented."

"We now face losing marine species and entire marine ecosystems, such as coral reefs, within a single generation," the report said."

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011/06 ... f=aponline

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20 Jun 2011 16:06 #2 by Something the Dog Said
In another report released today:

"Sea level has been rising significantly over the past century of global warming, according to a study that offers the most detailed look yet at the changes in ocean levels during the last 2,100 years.
The researchers found that since the late 19th century — as the world became industrialized — sea level has risen more than 2 millimeters per year, on average. That's a bit less than one-tenth of an inch, but it adds up over time.

It will lead to land loss, more flooding and saltwater invading bodies of fresh water, said lead researcher Benjamin Horton whose team examined sediment from North Carolina's Outer Banks. He directs the Sea Level Research Laboratory at the University of Pennsylvania."

"Looking back in history, the researchers found that sea level was relatively stable from 100 B.C. to A.D. 950. Then, during a warm climate period beginning in the 11th century, sea level rose by about half a millimeter per year for 400 years. That was followed by a second period of stable sea level associated with a cooler period, known as the Little Ice Age, which persisted until the late 19th century.

Rising sea levels are among the hazards that concern environmentalists and governments with increasing global temperatures caused by "greenhouse" gases like carbon dioxide from burning fossil fuels like coal and oil over the last century or so."

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011/06 ... f=aponline

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20 Jun 2011 22:28 #3 by FredHayek
Very hard to manage oceans since there is no world legislative body.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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20 Jun 2011 22:34 #4 by ScienceChic
Hey, if we could pull together and manage the ozone... :thumbsup:

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21 Jun 2011 06:33 #5 by TPP
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"We're all going to die, woe as me!"

Don't worry about the oceans they'll take care of themselves, worry something ya can do something about...
http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php

NOTE the sickness/epidemic harzards.

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21 Jun 2011 07:45 #6 by OmniScience
Yet more myopic Global Warming propaganda....

Of course, there is no mention of shark finning, or bottom trawling practices which represent a FAR greater immediate threat to marine ecosystems.

Read this article and look at the photo on this website. What do you think poses a greater danger to the health of marine ecosystems?

http://www.mcbi.org/what/destructive_fishing.htm


“The global shark fin trade is driving the oceans to collapse,” said Courtney Sakai, senior campaign director at Oceana..


http://na.oceana.org/en/news-media/press-center/press-releases/oceana-releases-new-report-at-cites-about-impact-of-global-shark-fin-trade-to-oceans

Stopping or limiting the practices of shark finning and shrimp trawling would have a real, measureable positive impact on the marine populations, but it doesn't present the massive potential for profits that trading carbon dioxide does.

The madness continues. Follow the money.

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21 Jun 2011 08:41 #7 by ScienceChic
Problems are problems OmniScience. If the shark finning and bottom trawling issues have already been addressed (and since those reports didn't address the effects of acidification due to CO2 uptake, then aren't those reports myopic as well?), then this report just adds to the list of problems for the oceans.

Now that I've read the report , it does address overfishing and harmful fishing practices:

• Urgent actions to restore the structure and function of marine ecosystems, including the coordinated and concerted action in national waters and on the High Seas (the high seas water column and seabed Area beyond national jurisdiction) by states and regional bodies to:

o reduce fishing effort to levels commensurate with long-­‐term sustainability of fisheries and the marine environment;

o close fisheries that are not demonstrably managed following sustainable principles, or which depend wholly on government subsidies;

o establish a globally comprehensive and representative system of marine protected areas to conserve biodiversity, to build resilience, and to ensure ecologically sustainable fisheries with minimal ecological footprint;

o assess, monitor and control other uses of the marine environment such as renewable energy schemes or cable/pipeline installation through comprehensive spatial planning and impact assessments procedures.

• Proper and universal implementation of the precautionary principle by reversing the burden of proof so activities proceed only if they are shown not to harm the ocean singly or in combination with other activities.


Acidification and run-off pollution is hardly propaganda - the data on CO2 levels increasing in the atmosphere is not in question, nor is the chemistry of it being dissolved into sea water from the atmosphere, nor the effects on the inhabitants of CO2 being dissolved in sea water and dead zones from anoxia. Feel free to Google it, there's lots of data out there. Yes, fixing problems and taking care of our environment requires money and effort - but what's better for us - to do like we used to and just toss our sh** out onto the street below or pay the water/sewage company for the use of the sewer system? The principle is the same, the scale is all that's different.

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21 Jun 2011 09:23 #8 by TPP
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Don't forget the MASSive RED Tide we had this year!

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21 Jun 2011 12:26 #9 by ScienceChic
The red tide comes from algae blooms that form due to anoxic conditions - I mentioned that. :wink:

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21 Jun 2011 15:14 #10 by OmniScience

Science Chic wrote: Problems are problems OmniScience. If the shark finning and bottom trawling issues have already been addressed (and since those reports didn't address the effects of acidification due to CO2 uptake, then aren't those reports myopic as well?), then this report just adds to the list of problems for the oceans.


No, these issues have not been addressed and, unfortunately, I doubt they will be anytime soon.

As the economies of Asia have grown, so has their demand for shark-fin soup which is entirely based on cultural superstitions and misconceptions. A strong demand in Asian communities for shark fins (which incidentally are tasteless) are what's driving sharks toward extinction. Fishermen are often driven to take sharks due to the over harvesting of commercial species in their waters, and the high $'s Asians are willing to pay for soup. Some estimates are as high as 75 Million sharks per year. That is simply unsustainable. The shark is an apex predator like no other and a direct correlation can, and has, been made between healthy shark populations and healthy marine ecosystems.


Bottom trawling is another issue that continues to go on largely unnoticed by most people. The trawling practices for harvesting shrimp are highly inefficient and are often devastating to marine habitats and important species such as sponges and corals. I'm sure there's probably some video out there which illustrates the scale of damage from this practice.


Making changes in these 2 practices would have a direct, measureable impact on the overall health of the ecosystems and species. To me, the focus of the Times articles was just another Global Warming piece, which did not address any of the immediate, specific challenges facing the oceans. If these 2 practices are not addressed, CO2 and runoff issues may well be irrelevant. The challenge of developing solutions are largely cultural for one, and largely political for the other..

Not long ago I talked to a marine biology professor who told me "If I could choose one thing to change the current situation in the ocean - I'd get people to quit eating shrimp"

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