New San Fran Bay Bridge- Made in China

28 Jun 2011 11:54 #11 by LOL
Archer, I'm surprised you aren't more ticked-off at California. Usually it's the evil private corporations that outsource to China, this is the "high gas tax, toll bridge, 15% unemployed, state gov't of California" sending jobs to China! I think it sucks! And I think China may import alot of steel from Australia? Seems like alot of shipping costs went into this project.

Must not be any Federal dollars involved, or I think it would have to be American made by law.

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28 Jun 2011 12:12 #12 by archer
Why assume I'm not ticked off? I don't agree with outsourcing....I don't support the free trade agreements that place American made goods at a disadvantage, and I support paying higher prices for American made goods. Bring foreign goods up to our standards and price, don't lower our standards and prices to match China and others _

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28 Jun 2011 12:19 #13 by The Viking

archer wrote: Why assume I'm not ticked off? I don't agree with outsourcing....I don't support the free trade agreements that place American made goods at a disadvantage, and I support paying higher prices for American made goods. Bring foreign goods up to our standards and price, don't lower our standards and prices to match China and others _


I feel like I just entered the twilight zone! I actually agree with archer on this one........ now I'm scared!!! :VeryScared:

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28 Jun 2011 12:21 #14 by LOL
I really figured you were ticked off archer. I just wanted to hear it. And remember it next time its an evil profiteering private corporation doing the same dang thing. It all sucks. :)

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28 Jun 2011 12:23 #15 by chickaree
I also agree. Buying cheap steel that has no safety or environmental standards should not be allowed. These so called free trade agreements benefit everyone but the US citizens.

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28 Jun 2011 12:36 #16 by LOL
I think China's currency valuation controls also play a part in their trade advantage.

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28 Jun 2011 12:37 - 28 Jun 2011 13:20 #17 by archer
Ok....now y'all are scaring me...

As much as I complained about the steel mills growing up outside Buffalo NY, I find it sad when I go through there now to see the closed mills._

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28 Jun 2011 13:17 #18 by FredHayek
Taxpayers like paying 1/2 the price for same quality infrastructure. And at one time, Japanese produced cheap, low quality automobiles, China might surpass the US in quality in another decade.

And while ending the current free trade agreements sound good to some US workers, US consumers will suffer with the loss of competition and my company has a division that exports over 1/2 what they produce. A protectionist tariff war lengthened the Great Depression and a new one would hurt our foreign markets and we might have to layoff some of those workers.

Frankly certain countries have natural production advantages and protecting inefficient companies by installing tariffs doesn't make sense.

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28 Jun 2011 13:53 #19 by OmniScience
A couple things to think about.

-We outsource the steel production to another country when our unemployment is almost 10%.
-Our steel mills pollute far less than Chinese mills which have little or no regulation, so now we've
outsourced (and increased) the pollution as well.
-The Chinese can produce a massive bridge and transport it almost
6000 miles across the ocean at less cost than building it ourselves.

and this quote....

“I don’t think the U.S. fabrication industry could put a project like this together,” Brian A. Petersen, project director for the American Bridge/Fluor Enterprises joint venture, said in a telephone interview. “Most U.S. companies don’t have these types of warehouses, equipment or the cash flow. The Chinese load the ships, and it’s their ships that deliver to our piers.”

The mindset that "we can't do it, but the Chinese can", is very disturbing to say the least.

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28 Jun 2011 18:13 #20 by chickaree
Have we lost that "can do" attitude in favor of a "how much? " attitude?

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