Colorado day-care center proposal: dolls of different races.

12 Jul 2011 14:30 #11 by conifermtman
We just took are son to the doctor on Friday for a check-up and we were told to continue to feed him fatty foods and whole milk until age three. Their are two studies that suggest high fatty foods contribute to brain development. At age 3 and above you are suppose to have fat only in moderation because it begins to effect arteries. So thanks to the state of Colorado my kid won't be getting the proper nutrition our physician recommends without a note. My tax dollars hard at work again.

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12 Jul 2011 14:35 #12 by AspenValley

conifermtman wrote: We just took are son to the doctor on Friday for a check-up and we were told to continue to feed him fatty foods and whole milk until age three. Their are two studies that suggest high fatty foods contribute to brain development. At age 3 and above you are suppose to have fat only in moderation because it begins to effect arteries. So thanks to the state of Colorado my kid won't be getting the proper nutrition our physician recommends without a note. My tax dollars hard at work again.


This is one I am going to side with you on.

The nutritional science not only doesn't support the idea of low fat milk for children, it doesn't support it for adults. Yet doctors and the government are telling everyone over the age of 2 to drink skim milk.

It's really a disgrace how they keep repeating (and in the case of daycare centers, ENFORCING) outdated and disproven theories. And yes, on the taxpayer dime.

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12 Jul 2011 14:42 #13 by Local_Historian

The Viking wrote: And you think that the Government should legistlate how much milk and juice kids can drink and the color of dolls that have to be available and when it is 105 degrees out they should be able to tell the staff that their shoulders have to be covered? What the hell is wrong with this country that we have a government that can't balance a budget but they feel they can run a day care better than licensed professionals? Get the government out of out lives! These things are all so superficial and probably cost us a fortune for them to think up, vote on, and print out.


Actually yes - because to many damn daycares hire people with the common sense of a rock. They don't get that some kids have milk allergies, or that too much juice can cause a child to have burning urination, and no, they really just don't know to cover the kids up. They don't cover themselves, and then whine that they got burned! Licensed does NOT make them a professional- I could have a day care license in weeks, without any early childhood training - a LOT of people do. Does having an R driver's license make you a professional driver? no. You'd be amazed at the number of untrained, untalented, and unintelligent people there are out there with day care licenses.

Look at the issues that our local daycares have and have had in the past couple of years - to the point where I know people who wouldn't take their kids there ever again no matter who is running it. And that's not just the one - that's several of them. Watch the news? Infant dies at a daycare last week - because of negligence. This kind of thing happens daily across the country.

Yeah, there are some good daycares, and some good providers - but it is to the point where if it is NOT legislated, "oops" is going to become a perfectly legal answer next time a kid dies or gets maimed at one.

When you don't have kids, haven't helped raised kids, have never taken those kids to a daycare, have never had to choose a daycare, you really don't get the full picture of just how quickly a serious mess up could be made at one by just a single person too damn dumb to be working with kids. Enthusiasm never makes up for plain common sense - and you canot deny there is a seemingly severe lack of common sense in this country.

This way, you screw up my kid, my grandkid, legally you WILL be held responsible for your stupidity. And that is the proper word.

ConiferMnMan - exactly how does legislature about DAY CARES affect what you do in your own damn home? Oh wait, it doesn't. Your kid will not die or become stupid from getting 2% milk one meal a day, 5 or less days a week. You can feed him what you like at home. But Guaranteed, would you not be pitching a bitch if your child became injured at the day care and there was no legal recourse available to you? It's real nice to focus on the stupid stuff like milk and dolls - when the reality of the legislature is to focus on holding the stupids responsible for their inability to think or their bad behavior that puts little ones at risk of injury or death.

BTW - doctors have been telling adults for decades to stop drinking milk - it actually does nothing for you.

But lets focus on the milk issue - cause that'll keep someone else's infant alive in a state where a 12 year old is considered fit to watch an infant. (a lot are NOT.) Yep, milk is the MOST important issue in this legislation. :bash

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12 Jul 2011 15:11 #14 by The Viking
Why do so many people STILL believe that the Government has any clue how to run things and should still be involved MORE in our lives. I just don't get it! They never had these regulations around for decades and kids made it just fine. I am so SICK and TIRED of Government wanting to regulate EVERYTHING!! And some people just bend over and say thank you sir may I have another!

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12 Jul 2011 15:14 #15 by The Viking

Local_Historian wrote:

The Viking wrote: And you think that the Government should legistlate how much milk and juice kids can drink and the color of dolls that have to be available and when it is 105 degrees out they should be able to tell the staff that their shoulders have to be covered? What the hell is wrong with this country that we have a government that can't balance a budget but they feel they can run a day care better than licensed professionals? Get the government out of out lives! These things are all so superficial and probably cost us a fortune for them to think up, vote on, and print out.


Actually yes - because to many damn daycares hire people with the common sense of a rock. They don't get that some kids have milk allergies, or that too much juice can cause a child to have burning urination, and no, they really just don't know to cover the kids up. They don't cover themselves, and then whine that they got burned! Licensed does NOT make them a professional- I could have a day care license in weeks, without any early childhood training - a LOT of people do. Does having an R driver's license make you a professional driver? no. You'd be amazed at the number of untrained, untalented, and unintelligent people there are out there with day care licenses.



Then don't send your kids there and let them go out of business. It is called capitalism! It is called letting the poor businesses go out of business and the strong survive! Let them go under so new more responsible ones can take their place. Now all you are doing is giving new regualations to those people who you say have 'the common sense of a rock'. You WANT them to keep watching your kids even with new regulations? I sure as hell wouldn't!

So now you just have the government regulating people who shouldn't be watching kids int he first place. Yeah that makes sense! :bash :bash

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12 Jul 2011 15:31 #16 by ScienceChic
Spoken like someone who's toured multiple daycare sites looking for one that you can trust with your kids' lives, and having to choose after only half an hour of them putting their best foot forward trying to convince you to park your business with them. And when both spouses are working, it's not like you have an option of not sending your kids to daycare and waiting for the bad ones to go out of business (or do you really think we should gamble with kids lives to find out who the "bad" ones are. Frankly, that's about the stupidest thing I've ever heard). Yes, regulations are absolutely necessary to ensure that facilities are kept to a minimum safe standard - they wouldn't bother otherwise because it takes time, effort, and money to do so. Turnover at daycare centers is extremely high, so when you decide one month that you trust the people caring for your children, that easily could change the next month, and it only takes one instance of one sloppy employee performance for tragedy to happen. Can we be protected from tragedy, no. But we can lessen the risks by having set minimum standards and regular evaluations to make sure they are within compliance so parents have some peace of mind and can make better informed decisions as to what facilities are safe and trustworthy - and yes, parents still do need to shop around, ask the right questions, critically assess the facilities and employees - it's not like the nanny state is taking care of everything.

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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12 Jul 2011 15:39 #17 by The Viking
I am starting tho think we should divide this country into red and blue states and just let the Libs who want all the government regulations and control move into the blue states and if they want to live in a red state then they have to learn to live without so much government control and regulations and they also have to learn personal responsibility. I know it will be difficult but keep all this regulation and control in just a handful of states!

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12 Jul 2011 15:42 #18 by ScienceChic
And why does it have to be all-or-nothing? Whoever said that us libs want everything done for us, everything legislated, and no personal responsibility? You're making some huge assumptions there...

There has to be a give-and-take compromise between too much and not enough and that seems to be what's sorely missing in our government lately, and the polarization of the parties isn't helping.

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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12 Jul 2011 15:43 #19 by Kate
Okay. The blue states get the health & meat & food inspectors. The red states get salmonella in their eggs and e coli in the meat.

Deal.

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