McConnell caves in to Obama

Kate wrote:

The Viking wrote:

Kate wrote:

BearMtnHIB wrote: I think you may have mis-understood the meaning - it's up to Obama to come up with a plan that can pass in the house.

Why waste time going to all these meetings and pissing away valueable time- just tell that clown we won't meet with you anymore and we won't vote for any tax increase- period.

I wish he would have waited till the last day to do this.

Why is it up to President Obama to come up with a plan that will pass? The House of Representatives holds the purse strings. It's their responsibility that McConnell is giving away, not the Executive Branch.

And they have a great plan cutting $2 trillion. But Obama won't sign it. So now it's his issue and responsibility.

The President obviously does not agree that it's a great plan. That still does not make it his responsibility to come up with a budget.

Using your logic, the House could come up with a totally unrealistic budget and then say, "Now it's your mess, Mr. President," and wash their hands of any budgetary responsibility.

Actually it is VERY realistic. And the fact that the economically challenged Obama who has been wrong on everything he has touched, (oops hahaha, I guess they weren't as shovel ready as we thought) thinks that it is not a great plan, probably means that it is a GREAT plan and will work!

Sign it and try a Republican congressional idea for once. The Dems have had all the bills since 2007 and look where that has brought us! No budget in over 800 days!

That may be, Viking, but it does not relieve the Congress from their Constitutionally mandated responsibility to come up with a budget.

Kate wrote: That may be, Viking, but it does not relieve the Congress from their Constitutionally mandated responsibility to come up with a budget.

Exactly! The Senate has not come up with a budget in 2 1/2 years! Why? The Dems had control of all 3 houses for 2 years up until 6 months ago. If you can't pass a budget when you control all houses, how can you expect to agree with the other party when they get control of one house?

The Dems fought with each other over the budget since April of 2009 so why would anyone thing they would accept one brought to them by the Republicans that makes sense?

The Viking wrote:

Kate wrote: That may be, Viking, but it does not relieve the Congress from their Constitutionally mandated responsibility to come up with a budget.

Exactly! The Senate has not come up with a budget in 2 1/2 years! Why? The Dems had control of all 3 houses for 2 years up until 6 months ago.

You're right. They have not done their duty. But the question you and I are discussing is whether the President has any responsibility for the budget. You seem to think he has to come up with a budget plan, while I think the only thing he has to do with the budget is to sign it into law or veto it.

Kate wrote:

The Viking wrote:

Kate wrote: That may be, Viking, but it does not relieve the Congress from their Constitutionally mandated responsibility to come up with a budget.

Exactly! The Senate has not come up with a budget in 2 1/2 years! Why? The Dems had control of all 3 houses for 2 years up until 6 months ago.

You're right. They have not done their duty. But the question you and I are discussing is whether the President has any responsibility for the budget. You seem to think he has to come up with a budget plan, while I think the only thing he has to do with the budget is to sign it into law or veto it.

Then sign it or veto it. But he already said he won't sign it. And he did try and come up with a budget plan that was voted down 97-0. I don't blame him for being cautious. He has no clue about economics and is stuck on one issue trying to save $3 billion over 10 years, out of $2-4 Trillion!

The Viking wrote:

Kate wrote:

The Viking wrote:

Kate wrote: That may be, Viking, but it does not relieve the Congress from their Constitutionally mandated responsibility to come up with a budget.

Exactly! The Senate has not come up with a budget in 2 1/2 years! Why? The Dems had control of all 3 houses for 2 years up until 6 months ago.

You're right. They have not done their duty. But the question you and I are discussing is whether the President has any responsibility for the budget. You seem to think he has to come up with a budget plan, while I think the only thing he has to do with the budget is to sign it into law or veto it.

Then sign it or veto it. But he already said he won't sign it. And he did try and come up with a budget plan that was voted down 97-0. I don't blame him for being cautious. He has no clue about economics and is stuck on one issue trying to save $3 billion over 10 years, out of $2-4 Trillion!

He can't sign or veto it until it passes Congress.

Kate wrote:

The Viking wrote:

Kate wrote:

The Viking wrote:

Kate wrote: That may be, Viking, but it does not relieve the Congress from their Constitutionally mandated responsibility to come up with a budget.

Exactly! The Senate has not come up with a budget in 2 1/2 years! Why? The Dems had control of all 3 houses for 2 years up until 6 months ago.

You're right. They have not done their duty. But the question you and I are discussing is whether the President has any responsibility for the budget. You seem to think he has to come up with a budget plan, while I think the only thing he has to do with the budget is to sign it into law or veto it.

Then sign it or veto it. But he already said he won't sign it. And he did try and come up with a budget plan that was voted down 97-0. I don't blame him for being cautious. He has no clue about economics and is stuck on one issue trying to save $3 billion over 10 years, out of $2-4 Trillion!

He can't sign or veto it until it passes Congress.

I know. And they should just vote on it and send it to him. Although some Dems said they will filibuster it.

So then we agree that it is the responsibility of Congress to submit a budget bill to the President. He does not have to come up with a budget plan. The President's responsibility is to sign or veto the budget bill.

Kate wrote:

The Viking wrote:

Kate wrote: That may be, Viking, but it does not relieve the Congress from their Constitutionally mandated responsibility to come up with a budget.

Exactly! The Senate has not come up with a budget in 2 1/2 years! Why? The Dems had control of all 3 houses for 2 years up until 6 months ago.

You're right. They have not done their duty. But the question you and I are discussing is whether the President has any responsibility for the budget. You seem to think he has to come up with a budget plan, while I think the only thing he has to do with the budget is to sign it into law or veto it.

Why then does the president submit a budget request to Congress if his only involvement with it is to sign it into law or veto it?

The House should just simply pass their version of raising the debt limit and be done with it. If it doesn't pass in the Senate, or a modified version isn't passed there, then the failure to raise the limit will lie with the Democrats that control the Senate. If it does pass and is vetoed by the president then Congress can hold an override vote if they are truly concerned that failure to raise the limit will result in default. If the president is worried about default if the limit isn't raised he can sign the bill and then work to get his tax increases incorporated into the 2012 budget. Enough with the Washington two step already. Pass the bill in the House and see what happens from there.