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Thanks to the 17th Amendment, we now have a House of Lords (Senate) and a House of Commons in line with Hamilton's vision of what they should be. We also have a powerful central government replete with all of the corrupt vices of that system as well - also in line with Hamilton's thoughts on the matter. In 1770, Prime Minister William Pitt in a speech to the House of Lords said, "Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it". What "progressives" have been all about for the last century is unlimited power at the national level. They should not, therefore, be surprised at the corruption that has tagged along for the ride. It should be expected and accepted as part of the price they are willing to pay to have a national government because no national government has ever existed in which it was absent, and according to Hamilton, to remove the corruption from it would render it an impracticable one.I invited them to dine with me, and after dinner, sitting at our wine, having settled our question, other conversation came on, in which a collision of opinion arose between Mr. Adams and Colonel Hamilton, on the merits of the British Constitution, Mr. Adams giving it as his opinion, that, if some of its defects and abuses were corrected, it would be the most perfect constitution of government ever devised by man. Hamilton, on the contrary, asserted, that with its existing vices, it was the most perfect model of government that could be formed; and that the correction of its vices would render it an impracticable government. And this you May be assured was the real line of difference between the political principles of these two gentlemen. Another incident took place on the same occasion, which will further delineate Mr. Hamilton's political principles. The room being hung around with a collection of the portraits of remarkable men, among them were those of Bacon, Newton and Locke. Hamilton asked me who they were. I told him they were my trinity of the three greatest men the world had ever produced, naming them. He paused for some time: “The greatest man,” said he, “that ever lived, was Julius Caesar.” Mr. Adams was honest as a politician as well as a man; Hamilton honest as a man, but, as a politician, believing in the necessity of either force or corruption to govern men.
Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Dr. Benjamin Rush (1811)
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Did he really say that? He must have editted that part.AspenValley wrote: Right, PS.
The solution to crappy government regulation is to have no government regulators at all.
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Did he really say that? He must have editted that part.AspenValley wrote: Right, PS.
The solution to crappy government regulation is to have no government regulators at all.
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PrintSmith wrote: Not what I said at all, is it AV. No, what I said was that if you advocate for national government you should be prepared to accept the inevitable corruption which accompanies it since removing the corruption would render the national government you seek impracticable as a means of governance.
We'll skip over the redefining of what was meant by "regulating" commerce when the Constitution was penned by the national government advocates - that has been covered extensively already. Suffice to say it didn't mean micromanaging every aspect of commerce as the modern "progressives" seem to believe.
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AspenValley wrote:
PrintSmith wrote: Not what I said at all, is it AV. No, what I said was that if you advocate for national government you should be prepared to accept the inevitable corruption which accompanies it since removing the corruption would render the national government you seek impracticable as a means of governance.
Hogwash. Even if I "advocated" for "national government" (what nutty blog did you pick up that term from, anyway?) the second part of your sentence is totally unsupportable and a non sequitur to boot.
We'll skip over the redefining of what was meant by "regulating" commerce when the Constitution was penned by the national government advocates - that has been covered extensively already. Suffice to say it didn't mean micromanaging every aspect of commerce as the modern "progressives" seem to believe.
Only you could define prosecuting (or failing to) the largest thefts and frauds in the history of the world as "micromanaging"!
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