Yes, That Jerk Really Does Make More Than You

For men, the gain is around 18 percent in annual pay. Men who were rated as "highly disagreeable" on personality tests were paid an average of $9,700 more annually than men rated as "most agreeable," according to The Globe and Mail.

For women, the gain is only 5 percent — seemingly because it's not seen as a weakness for them to be pleasant. Wall Street Journal blogger Rachel Emma Silverman spoke with one of the study's authors, Beth Livingston of Cornell:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/201 ... t-prove-it

Interesting. Certainly it is important to stand up for yourself when negotiating salary. It helps when you have leverage as in other opportunities.

I have read studies before where part of the difference of salaries between men and women is that men tend to be more aggressive when demanding raises.
I think women have become more aggressive in the past decade, it will be interesting to see if this ends up with higher salaries for females.

Trust me, in my experience it is still harder for women to be taken seriously.

CinnamonGirl wrote: Trust me, in my experience it is still harder for women to be taken seriously.

Totally agree, just looks how people treat female candidates, more questions about what they wear, what their husband does, instead of being forcefull, they are called agressive or pouty. And this isn't only a Republican thing, Hilary was picked on for her pantsuits, hairstyle, looking tired, etc, instead of the issues.

SS109 wrote:

CinnamonGirl wrote: Trust me, in my experience it is still harder for women to be taken seriously.

Totally agree, just looks how people treat female candidates, more questions about what they wear, what their husband does, instead of being forcefull, they are called agressive or pouty. And this isn't only a Republican thing, Hilary was picked on for her pantsuits, hairstyle, looking tired, etc, instead of the issues.

Perfect example. The perfect way to dilute a woman is to sexualize her or call her honey or darlin'. I agree on the Hilary thing. She is considered a huge bitch and they try to make her into a lesbian because she is powerful. I will say it is a masculine and many successful women have trouble finding mates, but if they would just think that is today's world.

Women are expected to earn a living and be feminine. It is not the 50's anymore.

It takes charm sometimes you can't just get there with smarts and it is not going to be easy. And breaking the glass ceiling with women is going to be harder. Michelle does not have a chance just FYI. Did you see how Perry swooped in like the big 'man' to save the day?

SS109 wrote: I have read studies before where part of the difference of salaries between men and women is that men tend to be more aggressive when demanding raises.
I think women have become more aggressive in the past decade, it will be interesting to see if this ends up with higher salaries for females.

Women in their 20's are already making more than their male peers. Women are also obtaining way more college degrees and now even more advanced degrees than men.



according to a new analysis of 2,000 communities by a market research company, in 147 out of 150 of the biggest cities in the U.S., the median full-time salaries of young women are 8% higher than those of the guys in their peer group. In two cities, Atlanta and Memphis, those women are making about 20% more. This squares with earlier research from Queens College, New York, that had suggested that this was happening in major metropolises. But the new study suggests that the gap is bigger than previously thought, with young women in New York City, Los Angeles and San Diego making 17%, 12% and 15% more than their male peers, respectively. And it also holds true even in reasonably small areas like the Raleigh-Durham region and Charlotte in North Carolina (both 14% more), and Jacksonville, Fla. (6%).


http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2015274,00.html

It's discouraging but not surprising. Kindness is not a trait Americans value. We like and admire our bullies.

Omniscience, I think you bring up a very good point. I was just talking about this very thing to a friend of mine last night. I believe alot of this is generational. My son does not run into the same cultural and sexism issues that I did or my generation did. I truly believe that when the baby boomers are gone things will settle down and I do not believe the kids of our nation have these problems ingrained in them. My son does not see any differences like I did, of course I don't know how much of that is because he has a mother that drilled it into him. I personally think that Jesse Jackson and the like are still living in the 70's and it is not as bad as it used to be.

But I run into and I think people of our age do way more than young people. I watched a program on Freakonomics that talked about how just our name can make the difference in getting a call for an interview. Our perceptions and assumptions are so much a part of all of it.

I certainly don't want to see young men start having discrimination thrown on them now.

OmniScience wrote:

SS109 wrote: I have read studies before where part of the difference of salaries between men and women is that men tend to be more aggressive when demanding raises.
I think women have become more aggressive in the past decade, it will be interesting to see if this ends up with higher salaries for females.

Women in their 20's are already making more than their male peers. Women are also obtaining way more college degrees and now even more advanced degrees than men.



according to a new analysis of 2,000 communities by a market research company, in 147 out of 150 of the biggest cities in the U.S., the median full-time salaries of young women are 8% higher than those of the guys in their peer group. In two cities, Atlanta and Memphis, those women are making about 20% more. This squares with earlier research from Queens College, New York, that had suggested that this was happening in major metropolises. But the new study suggests that the gap is bigger than previously thought, with young women in New York City, Los Angeles and San Diego making 17%, 12% and 15% more than their male peers, respectively. And it also holds true even in reasonably small areas like the Raleigh-Durham region and Charlotte in North Carolina (both 14% more), and Jacksonville, Fla. (6%).


http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2015274,00.html

And some call the current downturn the male recession since men are unemployed at a much higher rate than women. Part of that is because male dominated industries like construction are down.

Maybe the agressive male guy demanding higher wages is the first to be fired when companies cut back labor costs.