The GOP will raise taxes — on the middle class

LadyJazzer wrote: Nope... You've asked that before, and I've answered it before.

It would be on the employee side only; the employer would still get capped at $106K.

Ahhh, so you want to tax all of the people at a higher percentage without them knowing they are being taxed more by disguising their increased taxation level as a corporate tax. Won't work - we know that corporations are tax collectors, not taxpayers. Any tax a corporation pays has to first come from the people who purchase that particular corporation's goods and services, which means that the cost of the tax is included in the products, which means that the corporation isn't paying it, the customer of the corporation is.

LadyJazzer wrote: Nope... You've asked that before, and I've answered it before.

It would be on the employee side only; the employer would still get capped at $106K.

Ok, so make it honest and increase the fed income tax by 6.2%.

All you are doing is increasing the cost of employing anyone over $106k. I would venture to say, if you raised the limit, all those over $106k would want a raise...

They can raise it all they want but with no one working gonna be hard to collect.

RenegadeCJ wrote:

LadyJazzer wrote: Nope... You've asked that before, and I've answered it before.

It would be on the employee side only; the employer would still get capped at $106K.

Ok, so make it honest and increase the fed income tax by 6.2%.

All you are doing is increasing the cost of employing anyone over $106k. I would venture to say, if you raised the limit, all those over $106k would want a raise...

Won't work. Those over 100K will just get a stock/option bonus instead, like CEOs. Besides Obama wont touch anyone under $200K remember, its a promise.

PrintSmith wrote:

LadyJazzer wrote: Nope... You've asked that before, and I've answered it before.

It would be on the employee side only; the employer would still get capped at $106K.

Ahhh, so you want to tax all of the people at a higher percentage without them knowing they are being taxed more by disguising their increased taxation level as a corporate tax. Won't work - we know that corporations are tax collectors, not taxpayers. Any tax a corporation pays has to first come from the people who purchase that particular corporation's goods and services, which means that the cost of the tax is included in the products, which means that the corporation isn't paying it, the customer of the corporation is.

If the employer is not paying one more cent than they already are, then no "cost of the tax" is included in the product. Try to keep up. Sometimes your boilerplate bullsh*t doesn't fit the response. The "corporation" doesn't collect the tax--the FEDERAL (NOT the "federated", or "wannabe national") Government collects the tax. There is nothing for the "corporation" to pass on if the tax is collected on the employee's wages in excess of $106,800. What makes you think the employees "wouldn't know"? It's right there on your pay stub, the same way the collections are on your pay stub now....

RenegadeCJ wrote:

LadyJazzer wrote: Nope... You've asked that before, and I've answered it before.

It would be on the employee side only; the employer would still get capped at $106K.

Ok, so make it honest and increase the fed income tax by 6.2%.

All you are doing is increasing the cost of employing anyone over $106k. I would venture to say, if you raised the limit, all those over $106k would want a raise...

Increasing the cost of employing anyone over $106K? Not to the employer...

My bovine scat? One of your recent contributions is not consistent with your latest one LJ, can you pick it out of the possibilites?

LadyJazzer wrote: And if you apply the FICA to ALL income instead of just the first $106K, it will solve the problem for the next century and beyond... Works for me... (And trust me, it will hit me harder than you...)

LadyJazzer wrote: Nope... You've asked that before, and I've answered it before.

It would be on the employee side only; the employer would still get capped at $106K.

LadyJazzer wrote:

PrintSmith wrote:

LadyJazzer wrote: Nope... You've asked that before, and I've answered it before.

It would be on the employee side only; the employer would still get capped at $106K.

Ahhh, so you want to tax all of the people at a higher percentage without them knowing they are being taxed more by disguising their increased taxation level as a corporate tax. Won't work - we know that corporations are tax collectors, not taxpayers. Any tax a corporation pays has to first come from the people who purchase that particular corporation's goods and services, which means that the cost of the tax is included in the products, which means that the corporation isn't paying it, the customer of the corporation is.

If the employer is not paying one more cent than they already are, then no "cost of the tax" is included in the product. Try to keep up. Sometimes your boilerplate bullsh*t doesn't fit the response.

If you raise the amount of income subject to the privilege to have employee taxes, the employer will indeed be paying more than they are currently paying. And where will this money come from? From the people who purchase their goods and services - which means that the employer will be collecting more in taxes from their customers, which means that the customers will be paying the increased cost of removing the limit on the amount of income subject to the privilege to have employee taxes that the employer has to pay.

Companies are tax collectors, not taxpayers. At the end of the day, the only taxpayers are the individual citizens. No matter how much you spin the tires, this is where the rubber meets the road.

Idiot... The employer doesn't PAY ONE MORE CENT... If the employer is CAPPED at $106,800, NOT ONE MORE CENT comes out of the employer's pocket. The taxes on the income OVER $106,800 go directly to the SS Administration. Where does it come from? From the employee, the same way it does now... NOT ONE MORE CENT from the company. It will not make a company's products go up ONE CENT.

In case you missed it, again, IT IS NOT PAID BY THE EMPLOYER.... At the end of the day, if the wages over $106,800 are subject to FICA on the EMPLOYEES SIDE ONLY, it would make the system solvent forever, and it wouldn't cost the employer one more cent.

I didn't say you'd like it or agree with it...(nor do I give a sh*t if you do)... But it would make the system solvent without costing the employer ANYTHING.

You are all going about this the wrong way.

The fact is, no one should be taxed for working. But since we want a few things from our federal government (like protection from foreign attack), why not demand a streamlined government, transparency in legislation, and some other basics that we lost sight of a long, long time ago from Washington?

The fact is, our federal government SQUANDERS our tax revenues like there was no bottom to the money pot - because, in their minds, there isn't.

Here we are, average honest tax-paying citizens arguing over who ought to pay more taxes - and every year there are roughly ten thousand new laws signed into legislation regulating us, the American taxpayer.

How come nobody is arguing for a sea change in how the federal government manages our money and legislates our population? - like stop paying full salaries FOR LIFE to every Congressperson that ever served one term? Like change the gross mismanagement of the Medicare system and widespread fraud by providers and suppliers alike? Like stop constantly producing legislation that ties the hands of American business and creates another government job for some do-bee unless you've allowed the American public to vote on the law?

How about a flat tax of say, 15% of your income. That's it. Sent to DC with one sheet detailing your name, address and income - no deductions, no tax breaks, no tax shelters, no 65 pages of tax return documentation based on 71,648 pages of tax code (source: http://politicalcalculations.blogspot.c ... l-tax.html ) with a $1,400 bill from your accountant - none of that crap.

You make a million dollars, you pay 15% to the federal government to protect you and yours from foreign invaders and put some into your retirement or old-age medical fund. You make $4000 annual you pay 15% to the federal government. No ifs, ands or buts. You live in America, you pay your fair share, no matter WHAT you make.

After that - let's turn to our STATE governments about all the other issues... because Washington is too far away, too conniving, too secretive, complex and dishonest for the average American - and that is EXACTLY how they want it, and will continue to keep it, unless we stop arguing about who ought to pay for it - and start demanding that Washington downsize, simplify - and account for its actions.

Sorry, another hard day at work. You know how it is...gotta pay those taxes. I've heard we aren't paying ENOUGH taxes either so I may have to lengthen my work day and work week.

What are we talking about here? rofllol