The GOP will raise taxes — on the middle class

swampfish wrote: You are all going about this the wrong way. The fact is, no one should be taxed for working.

Sorry... There's this thing called the 16th Amendment... Oh, wait...That's one of the ones the Constitution-worshippers want to repeal...

All of that info, and your response is to challenge a stranger's ability to take a piece of my income?

If you find it acceptable for some schmuck to come up to you and demand some of your hard-earned money for him to spend however he wants, no accountability, no transparency, you go right ahead and hand YOUR money over.

Me, I want to know what he plans to do with it, what his track record is with money management, and why he thinks it's okay to take ANY of my hard-earned money in the first place.

I want answers for the money that's being taken from me and spent. 16th Amendment or not: if I can't have answers, then it's unrealistic to expect me to hand the money over. Perry's right on the money with that one.

Next.

LOL ... Do me a favor... Refuse to pay... OK?

No, really... PLEASE...

rofllol

It's not a "stranger"...It's the Government... The Government R Us... The 16th Amendment gives them the authorization. You can't possibly imagine how much I don't give a sh*t if you don't like it. You want to know what they plan to do with it? Go look at the CBO website.

Next.

Amazing how Looney Jerk wraps herself in the flag and carries the Constitution.

Which Flag?

Rainbow

LadyJazzer wrote:
It's not a "stranger"...It's the Government... The Government R Us... The 16th Amendment gives them the authorization. You can't possibly imagine how much I don't give a sh*t if you don't like it. You want to know what they plan to do with it? Go look at the CBO website.
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Nope. The government is not R Us, silly merchandising girl. I'm organized, I manage my money, I know who my neighbor is, I know how much I earn, I know how much I spend, I know how much what I buy costs, and I know how many I have of what.

None of that can be said about any department in government. Government doesn't even know how many departments it has. Or cars, or computers, or employees, for that matter. The 16th Amendment is a government instrument - they gave it to themselves. The fact that you don't care whether your neighbor likes what's happening with our government points out America's biggest problem: self-centered special interest - thinking inside a comfortable bubble of self-serving understanding, truth be damned.

There are a fair number of people out there who refuse to see Government as a healthy entity functioning for the welfare of the people, who instead are recognizing it for what it has truly become: a cancerous morass of excessive, senseless regulation and taxation. Largely unmanageable, undefinable, endlessly clustering groups of purposeless people with no clear mission, no accountability and excessive entitlement. A death knell for the American spirit hallmarked by innovation, entrepreneurial effort, and a strong work ethic.

Government R Us my ass.

In your opinion...

swampfish wrote: ....There are a fair number of people out there who refuse to see Government as a healthy entity functioning for the welfare of the people, who instead are recognizing it for what it has truly become: a cancerous morass of excessive, senseless regulation and taxation. Largely unmanageable, undefinable, endlessly clustering groups of purposeless people with no clear mission, no accountability and excessive entitlement. A death knell for the American spirit hallmarked by innovation, entrepreneurial effort, and a strong work ethic.

Government R Us my ass.

BRAVO!!!!

Excellent quote, couldn't have said it better. Welcome swampfish!

LadyJazzer wrote: In case you missed it, again, IT IS NOT PAID BY THE EMPLOYER.... At the end of the day, if the wages over $106,800 are subject to FICA on the EMPLOYEES SIDE ONLY, it would make the system solvent forever, and it wouldn't cost the employer one more cent.

Mea culpa my friend - I did get them reversed. I still don't think that is the answer mind you, but I was mistaken in the premise of your argument when I commented earlier.

The answer isn't to raise taxes on current workers to provide benefits for retired ones, the answer is to find a way to remove the program from its Ponzi foundation and have each generation provide for their own benefits when they retire so that the generations behind them are not paying taxes from which they will derive no benefit and in the process establish a private property right to those funds which as of now doesn't exist. It might take the form of having everyone contribute a set portion of their income into a pot from which every contributor receives an equal share to deposit into their account, or perhaps an actual annuity and disability policy should be purchased for every citizen when they reach the age of majority and the premium deducted from their wages with the lower income brackets getting a direct subsidy to pay for the premium and a provision to have the premium paid for should the worker become disabled or unemployed. Either way, we can provide for a greater level of security in our later years by severing it from its flawed foundation.

And yes, it should be the Boomers and the generations before them that pay the price of reduced benefits to get the program onto a better foundation since we are the ones who stood by, knowing what would happen when our generation retired, doing nothing other than ensuring the benefits were increased before we retired so that we would be the beneficiaries of those better benefits at the end of our working years. Maybe the GenX folks should be included in the austerity as well - but not the Millennials or the NSGs. They should be the ones that are freed from the flawed system we have in favor of a better designed system. Those poor kids already have $16 Trillion or so of our debt to find a way to pay back, we shouldn't be saddling them with our Social Security checks to boot.