Grey-Haired Brigade

Otis, yes, it's all a big conspiracy regarding my name change. I'm really VL. Does your nursing home know you're up late this late on the rec room computer?

WayneLeeH wrote: Otis, yes, it's all a big conspiracy regarding my name change. I'm really VL. Does your nursing home know you're up late this late on the rec room computer?

Act like a troll and get treated like a troll, I can't believe I'm about to type it but VL has posted far more logical and eloquent points than you have tonight. Oddly enough I just got home from 14 days on the road working in data centers around the country. The dog wants to know why I'm still up, and thank you very much but I am more than capable of caring for myself and others. If you don't want to have a civil discussion and talk about the real issues then just say so. If you want to call names and act like a troll I'll just ignore you.

otisptoadwater wrote: If you want to call names and act like a troll I'll just ignore you.

You were the one who took us off course with the first childish barb, Otis. I was just giving back what you were giving -- without calling you a troll.

otisptoadwater wrote: Does your mamma know you are up this late on a school night?

Is your skin so thin that you can't handle a humorous remark? As a kid did you play soccer and get a trophy at the end of the season no matter if your team won or lost just to preserve your self esteem? I've been in more than one fight but never over a remark like "Does your mamma know you are up this late on a school night?" If that's all it takes to get you incensed then I suggest you spend some serious time with some mental health professionals.

I'm glad you admit it was a childish remark, Otis.

I'm not sure what gave you impression I was incensed. I thought it was funny and returned the favor. Then you decided my in-kind remark was trollish and threw a tantrum, calling me a troll.

Humorous is a long way from childish. As for throwing a tantrum? I didn't even fart in your general direction. Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? Who had a fit like a two year old about what "we the people" means when called to the carpet to defend their position?

So far I have lost a lot of respect for the man who established Pinecam and came here instead. I expected you to take a much more logical approach to the world and the situations that arise in it.

Bait me some more, I'll be ignoring you from now on.

archer wrote: Probably written by a 30 yr old Tea Party member... A real senior doesn't hide behind anonymity. I am a senior and proud to be a liberal and patriotic citizen of this great country. I believe in progress not in regression...I look to the future and don't wish to return to days long gone when the future holds so much promise.

Enjoy your geezerhood...I think life is too short to chain ourselves to the past when we have just begun to fly.

Progress, what is that? Some of it is change for the good, a lot of it is change just for the sake of change and turns out to be horrible. One does not rush into progress but measures those steps carefully in light to the tried and true. I chafe at your idealistic perception of who wrote what. Idle speculation at best. I could have written that piece and left my name off it, not because I fear reprisal or chiding, but because there are many for whom one speaks. Why oh why is it always necessary to bring in the tea party? Do they threaten you?

WHile you run ahead unchained to the past, you also abandon the true strengths that were derived from much sacrifice and suffering. As such you charge ahead with progress that mostly fails. Our evolution whether political, social, or technological is no different than the evolution of life. I take my lessons from it as a way of moving forward. What one sees is radical change (often portrayed as progress) leads to blind ends and extinction, whereas small changes and improvements within the conservative mold of the past prevails, branches into new directions and continues to evolve. I do not look to return to the old ways, but I'm not about to throw them out either. There is too much wisdom in their roots, wisdom that too many are ready to abandon because it is "old and outdated". If you believe what America achieved over the past few years is progress, then you can see it is headed for extinction because it is a failure. Believe it or not, some of us prefer less of the progress that we have been blessed with gratis of our leader. Frankly it sucks.

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otisptoadwater wrote:
Archer, your life must be a very comfortable one since you seem to be unaffected by the current administration's policies and lack of action on so many issues, not the least of which being unemployment. If 10% unemployment and a bankrupt nation are your vision of the perfect future I question your patriotism and I wonder if you really are an advocate for the failure of the US Government. Perhaps you were to the Manor born. Life is easy when money is available in unlimited quantities and you do not care about the generations that will follow you.

You couldn't be more wrong...I worked hard...did everything I could to assure that I could raise my kids...put them thru college...and retire comfortably. No manor or silver spoon involved. Without SS and Medicare we would not be as secure...and many of our friends our age and much older would be in dire straits without that safety net. I want the same security for my kids and grandkids...and the Tea Party wants to put that all in jeopardy. What's so patriotic about balancing the budget on the backs of seniors while proposing perks for the wealthy and corporations?

The Tea Party doesnt have a clue what patriotism means if all they can do is tear this country down not build it up._

You fail to understand and rebel because you do not look to the past for guidance. Major mistakes can not be simply modified and made to work so everyone pays for the failure of unbridled progress. Nature does this through mass extinction, famine and other disturbances thereby correcting the mistake and returning to trunk of the family tree. That is what you see some advocating but your perception is only one of a threat to your existence. Well... your existence and way of life is being threatened and and many will struggle to preserve the progressive way only to see it ultimately become extinct. Nature could care less about progress. It does care about evolving successfully. Many wizened people also could care less about a particular way of life, but do care about surviving. Let's face it, not everyone has the same perspective on life.

And as I tried to point out. There are many examples in the evolution of life where disassembly and abandonment of a path took place before moving forward again. It our country and government face a similar evolutionary point. Continuing on the same track only leads to aberrations and misfits that are out of touch with reality. Go ahead and force your way and extinction awaits you. There is a good reason corrections take place.

otisptoadwater wrote: So far I have lost a lot of respect for the man who established Pinecam and came here instead.

Oh darn. Now I won't be able to sleep tonight.

Back on topic: Funny how that one manifesto from a year ago is the only thing we've heard of the "Grey Haired Brigade." So much for making themselves heard.

The one thing I would say to them is while I respect their right to express their opinion, they shouldn't try to divide the nation. I would be more impressed if they had called for working together to get us out of this financial pit -- not pitting one segment of America against another.

What I fear is that in their zeal to make major changes in how this nation is governed, the Tea Party will lose sight of what is best for America and her citizens. I would rather make no changes in leadership than allow us to spend 4 years barreling down the wrong road and have no way back. I have not seen anything from the Republican candidates that makes me think they will act reasonably and not just dance to the Tea Party tune.

It never stops amazing me how the liberal mind can ignore completely- the facts of reality. It's like they live in some kind of special world made up in their head - an absolute refusal to acknowledge the wrekless path that our government is on.

This liberal poster fears that the tea party wants to "make major changes in how this nation is governed"- as if major changes are not what is needed! We need those major changes, if you havn't noticed. Millions of lives and careers have been damaged and we have spent this country up to the edge of a cliff- and this liberal "would rather make no changes in leadership" - as if we'd be ok for another 4 years of this trainwreck.

She's frearful that we might "spend 4 years barreling down the wrong road and have no way back" - as if the road we are on dosn't end at a cliff.

Talk about messed up thinking - oh man! It just goes to show that there is no comprimise that can be reached with the left. We have nothing to discuss, they must be defeated, they must be beaten on election day.

Just what's so offensive about the tea party- as far as I can see they want government to live within it's means- and what's so radical about that?

They want to return to reasonable government- one who lives within it's means and stops with all the regulations and increased taxes that have sucked the economic life away from an entire country.

Somehow liberals fail to see the millions of lives that have been damaged here- and future generations put at economic risk. They fail to see that even their beloved socialist entitlement programs will completely cease to exist if we keep on this path- they will be utterly bankrupt.

Thank god for the tea party- before them no one was talking about limited government except for libertarians. I'm so glad these ideas are back on the front page - we can thank the tea party for that.

Details are leaking out about Obama's job plan today- here's the bottom line.....

SPEND another 300 Billion!!!! YEA- like that worked before!!!

SHEESH!!!

We must beat liberal ideology and convince enough people to vote for a conservative in 2012, and that's the bottom line. We will not be converting the die hard left no matter what- they do not have the capacity to recognize their idealogical failure.

It's either that or they just don't give a crap about the damage that the socialist policy they support is doing to the country.