When Reality Hits Home

06 Sep 2011 22:43 #1 by Blazer Bob
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Of course as this new reality sets in at the White House, we find the Obama Administration angering a lot of their supporters by conceding to the realities of our oil consumption. In a recent interview, Energy Secretary Chu signaled that the administration was ready to support the controversial Keystone XL pipeline that would bring crude oil from the Canadian oil sands to Gulf Coast refineries. There have been a number of high-profile arrests at the White House as opponents of the pipeline believe it will simply continue to feed our addiction to oil that Obama promised to stop. In the interview, Chu laid out the reasoning for the Administration’s support of the pipeline:

“Having Canada as a supplier for our oil is much more comforting than having other countries supply our oil,” Chu said.

Chu noted that “the technologies that are used to extract tar sands oil . . . are improving dramatically.”

“The companies that are extracting these tar sands are making great strides in improving the environmental impact of the extraction of this oil and will continue to do so,” Chu added.

But the energy secretary also acknowledged that the final decision won’t satisfy everyone:

“In the end, it’s one of those things where it’s not perfect, but it’s a trade off.”

That’s what I always say: All of our energy choices involve trade-offs. Chu is signaling that the Administration is ready to bow to the reality of our oil dependence. After all, Obama must face voters next year, and voters are going to want to know what he has done in the name of energy security. Bear in mind that Secretary Chu believes that climate change is one of the most serious threats to civilization, and yet here he is defending the pipeline. To me that has all the signs of someone who has realized that if we don’t burn that oil, someone else will and we will just buy oil from some other place that is perhaps less politically stable than Canada."

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06 Sep 2011 23:44 #2 by otisptoadwater
America and most of the rest of the world runs on oil and oil distillates. Big wheels turn slow and if there is an evidence that alternate sources of energy are still a novelty take a look around your own neighborhood to see who is driving a Prius, has solar panels on the roof, and who is investing in the alternate energy industry.

I'm not against alternative sources of energy, in fact I consider it a great idea. In the meanwhile we all need to get to work, travel, and use current technologies to live. Consider what the proposed pipeline means in terms of jobs and long term profits for US companies; more jobs that pay very well for a long time. Not sure? Have a look at the Alaskan pipeline and how little it has impacted the environment.

I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.

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07 Sep 2011 07:57 #3 by FredHayek
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It only makes sense to buy our petrol from friendly neighbors. And good to see the Obama administration becoming more realistic and follow the desires of mainstream America instead of the enviro-left.

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07 Sep 2011 09:20 #4 by ScienceChic
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Tell me SS109, and others, will you pay 6 times as much for gas? It costs more per barrel to process because it comes from the tar sands than it does easier-to-process gulf oil, and if you think that the ME countries aren't going to flood the market with cheap product just long enough to kill this project then you are naive.

http://www.desmogblog.com/reliance-cana ... y-security
Reliance on Canadian Tar Sands Threatens U.S. Energy Security
by Glenn Hurowitz
30 August 11

If there’s a single idea that the oil industry has peddled to persuade the Obama administration to approve the controversial Keystone XL tar-sands pipeline, it’s this: Tar-sands oil might be more polluting than even dirty old regular oil, but it’s better to get our energy from our ally Canada than from unstable oil suppliers in the Middle East or elsewhere.

In practice, the opposite is true: Drilling in North America is the single greatest threat to our nation’s energy security.

Here’s the reality: Protecting the United States’ energy security means keeping our continent’s oil in the ground for when we need it in an emergency. The United States and Canada combined hold less than 5 percent of the world’s proven oil reserves. Thanks in part to expanded domestic drilling during the Obama administration, we’re depleting those reserves at a high rate. That means we have far less oil to fall back on in the event of true emergency, like an oil embargo or a major war when access to foreign oil supplies becomes difficult or even impossible.

It’s important to contrast this depletion reality with the old canard that the oil industry and its backers continue to push: that drilling domestically somehow reduces the flow of money to the Middle East and other unstable oil suppliers. In practice, basic oil-industry economics show the opposite. Because Middle Eastern and Venezuelan oil is so much cheaper to produce and more plentiful than remaining domestic oil reserves, those countries can almost always outcompete domestic U.S. competitors and still maintain their enormous profit margins and high levels of production. Saudi and Iraqi oil, for instance, costs just $4-$6 per barrel to produce with another $2-$3 tacked on for transportation costs (costs are similar for Iranian oil). Production costs for tar-sands oil clock in at a minimum of $30 per barrel; costs for other domestic sources are similar.

What we need to do instead is move as rapidly as possible to get off oil entirely by fully implementing and further tightening the Obama administration’s strong fuel-efficiency standards, putting a price on carbon pollution, ending oil subsidies, electrifying our vehicle fleet with clean energy, boosting mass transit, and using the full force of our diplomacy to get other major consuming countries like China to do the same.


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Reality Check: New Keystone XL Report Blows Up Steven Chu's "Energy Security" Claim
Ben Jervey
2 September 11

This is terribly cynical politics, as surely Secretary Chu — a Nobel-winning physicist and truly one of the world’s premier energy experts — knows the folly of this “energy security” argument.

A report released earlier this week by Oil Change International highlights just how wrong the claim is. In “Exporting Energy Security: Keystone XL Exposed” (pdf), the authors look at Energy Information Administration data, corporate disclosures from TransCanada and Valero Energy, and oil market analyst reports, and conclude that “the idea that Keystone XL will decrease America’s dependence on foreign oil is demonstrably false .”

The report, which is worth reading in full, draws three stark conclusions:
• The Keystone XL pipeline is an export pipeline. The Gulf Coast refiners at the end of the pipeline’s route are focused on expanding exports, and the nature of the tar sands crude Keystone XL delivers enhances their capacity to do so.
• Valero, the top beneficiary of the Keystone XL pipeline, has recently explicitly detailed an export strategy to its investors. The nation’s top refiner has locked in at least 20 percent of the pipeline’s capacity, and, because its refinery in Port Arthur is within a Foreign Trade Zone, the company will accomplish its export strategy tax free.
• The oil market has changed markedly in the last several years, with U.S. demand decreasing, and U.S. production increasing for the first time in 40 years. Higher fuel economy standards and slow economic growth have led to a decline in U.S. gasoline demand, while technological advances have opened up new sources in the U.S. Increasingly, U.S. refiners are turning to export.

For some background, check out this post on how the State Department’s Environmental Impact Statement was woefully incomplete , this post on the many problems with tar sands pipelines , and this great infographic on how TransCanada’s Keystone pipelines are “built to spill.” Also, this Keystone XL Tar Sands Pipeline Action page has links to just about every resource you could ever possibly hope to find .


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Ironically, As Price Per Barrel Drops, American Oil Supply From Canada Imperiled
Edwin Black
November 3rd 2008

Ironically, oil may become dramatically scarcer for Americans--not as a result of manipulations by the OPEC oil cartel, but due the fragile economics of Canadian oil. However, many observers feel that petroleum from Canadian oil sands is not economically feasible when the price of a barrel sinks below $80.

Canadian oil supply is further complicated by a little-known reality. While Canada is a net oil exporter, pumping millions of barrels per week into the United States, it is also an importer in its eastern provinces of some 850,000 barrels per day from such countries as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Egypt and Venezuela as well as the United Kingdom, Norway and other countries, Canadians have begun to ask why the nation sends the vast majority of its western oil product into the United States while Eastern Canada must import from overseas.

If Canadian oil flows are reduced by virtue of dollar dynamics, it may dramatically decrease the American availability and force ever more reliance on a Persian Gulf supply that is now ramping down. Indeed, in response to the dip in global demand, the cratering world economic structure and the rise in the American dollar, OPEC nations have decreased production by some 1.5 million barrels per day and are now discussing further cuts. At the same time, America’s number two source of oil, Mexico, is beginning to cap its wells and wind down its oil export business, which is likely to run dry within a decade. All these intertwined dynamics of global oil supply only serve to emphasize the volatility, unpredictability and tenuousness of the fuel that currently propels some 98 percent of all transportation in the United States of America.


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Unconventional Oil: Tar Sands and Shale Oil - EROI on the Web, Part 3 of 6
Posted by nate hagens on April 15, 2008

The average production cost of one barrel of syncrude from the oil sand resources in Canada was approximately 32 USD in the year 2006. The mining process costs about 16 USD2006/barrel of oil equivalent (boe). The InSitu SAGD extraction costs about 14 USD2006/boe, and the upgrading process to syncrude costs about 16.5 USD2006/boe. Figure 2 shows the break down of the total costs that were incorporated in the EROI calculations above (Herweyer 2007). Mining costs appear to be decreasing according to some reports in early 2008.

Syncrude has approximately the same quality as conventional crude oil, and is therefore competitive. So long as the conventional crude oil price stays above 31.5 USD2006/boe (excluding profits) it is profitable to extract oil sands.

CONCLUSION
In conclusion, tar sands are an economically and energetically viable, although hardly ideal, approach to maintaining liquid fuel supplies. The most severe problem is probably their local and global environmental impact, and they are already impacting Canadian CO2 releases significantly. But the tar sands are unlikely to make a large impact on overall supply of liquid fuels because their supply is likely to be rate, rather than total resource limited. If the maximum rate were to grow to about 2 billion barrels a year this would approximately meet Canada’s demand and could leave relatively little for export if Canada’s production of conventional oil continues to decline. Achieving even this rate of production from tar sands is uncertain because of growing concerns about environmental impacts downstream and insufficient hydrogen and water.


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07 Sep 2011 09:28 #5 by Rick
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If it's too expensive to produce oil from tar sands it won't be done....why would it? It's not like this energy will be subsidized by taxpayers like ethanol is, so it has to be profitable. Funny how that works.

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07 Sep 2011 09:32 #6 by Martin Ent Inc
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Bears hate Prius's

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Ta ... 15578.html

And one here old but still a Prius attack

ROCKY MOUNTAIN NATIONAL PARK, Colo. -- Spilled beer, lotion and toothpaste in a Prius at Rocky Mountain National Park apparently attracted a bear.

Hiker Michael Mulvey told 7NEWS a bear pried open the door of a red Prius from top to bottom at the Wild Basin trailhead last week.

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07 Sep 2011 09:39 #7 by ScienceChic
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CB, I'm afraid that's taking things at face value, and not questioning the motives of those who are actively pushing for this pipeline approval. Do you really trust our government officials now to be making a decision that benefits the American public? Of course it'll be done, AND be subsidized by us (like all oil production is and has been for nearly a century)- it may be produced in Canada, but it's going to be processed here. Why else is it being touted as for "our energy security" and to "reduce our oil dependence on the ME", when in fact neither claims are true?

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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07 Sep 2011 09:56 #8 by Rick
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I'd just like to see the evidence that this will be subsidized...it's not "green", so it must be bad and therefore not worthy of subsidies. And being able to deduct expenses is not a subsidy, it's what all businesses are allowed to do. Income will be taxed as well as the income from all the new workers who will find new employment.

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07 Sep 2011 10:08 #9 by pineinthegrass

Science Chic wrote: Tell me SS109, and others, will you pay 6 times as much for gas? It costs more per barrel to process because it comes from the tar sands than it does easier-to-process gulf oil, and if you think that the ME countries aren't going to flood the market with cheap product just long enough to kill this project then you are naive.


Not that I'm an economist, but just because it costs 6 times as much to produce the oil doesn't equate to the price of gas going up 6 times as well.

Unless the Canadian oil were mandated to be our sole source of oil, they will have to compete with the world market price which is now about $89 per barrel. If it costs them $30 to produce it, they can still make a good profit even though it cost them much more to produce than ME oil.

The other producers could put the more expensive Canadian oil out of business if they lowered the price of oil to something closer to $30 a barrel, but that would seem to me to be a win-win for consumers.

And the arguement that some of the gas produced by the Canadian oil will be exported isn't all a bad thing because the more oil and gas available to the world market should generally lower prices (depending on demand).

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07 Sep 2011 10:17 #10 by FredHayek
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If the tar sands are not commercially attractive, the product will fade away, (unless they get goverment aid). Decades ago, the promise of oil shale in Western Colorado created a modern gold rush for the oil companies, but the economics still don't work so the oil shale remains as strategic reserve. If the oil does dry up internationally, that oil shale will look viable once again.

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