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LadyJazzer wrote: See the thread on "Americans fleeing to Canada"... Canada has universal healthcare, and has had it for years. Their unemployment rate is about 2-1/2 points less than ours; their debt load is waaaay less than ours; their citizens are well taken care of and get health care when they need..(in spite of the few anecdotal stories the morons at FauxNews trot out whenever it's mentioned)... And yes the Canadians pay a bit more in taxes, but not a whole lot more, by the time you add in all the various forms of hidden taxation and fees that Americans are required to pay.

The constant wails of Armageddon (in the face of the truth that providing universal health care does not mean the end of anything--except big-pharma getting richer; for-profit hospitals and insurance companies getting richer--and people being healthier, and having access to healthcare) sound pretty silly in the face of empirical observation.

Let the wailing and moaning begin.

Lady Jazzer, I do not understand why you posted a response about universal health care to my thread starter. My post is not about health care or universal health care...it is about how the concept or acceptance of mandated insurance could lead to folks demanding all kinds of other mandates and that we created a climate to encourage it.

I would be glad to talk about universal health care and such things and comparing this to mandated risk insurance. Even if you goal is universal health care, I assume you know and likely have spoken here about the differences. From my perspective...if you would like to talk about universal health care, the current laws if passed will assure it WILL NOT HAPPEN any time soon. I will start a thread on this, let's keep this one about the consequences of mandated purchases combined with lobbyist influences, corporate interests, inability of local govt budgets to keep paces with the demands on government and the desire to get re-elected or elected in the first place....you run the risk of over complicating it if you add in Health Insurance...

I truly hope that you don't take this post as moaning and do take it as an attempt to clarify what I think you misunderstood in my starter and to get us back on track...I will start the other thread to debate the health care/insurance point I brought up now.