Obama's Repeal Of The Bush Tax Cuts

Wayne-O wrote: Right. He has no concern for the economy or new jobs.. or getting re-elected. <sarcasm off>

You may express it as sarcasm, but everything I have observed indicates his political growth is the ONLY thing he is truly interested in accomplishing. This from someone who is not even politically astute. If I see it then so do a lot of other people, hence his declining popularity. God forbid he gets re-elected. I fear for what he will try to do to this country.

If you and your spouse are making over $250K a year you need to be punished for your productivity, creativity and motivation. In a socialist society you need to be a lot more mediocre, hard work will be punished...just think union. We will tax you until you learn your lesson for getting uppity.

Now for you millionaires and billionaires (how many of THOSE except VL are reading this thread?).....well you're really gonna pay. In fact, we are going to take you down a few notches. Cut you down to size. You will pay taxes until your teeth bleed.

I think we need to get on with this grand liberal economic plan. Tax anyone making $250K or more to death and let's get everyone on the same level. Broke, unemployed and sucking on the government nipple. That's the America I was fighting for. How about you? rofllol

archer wrote:

SS109 wrote:
The Republicans actually are looking at the Obama plan like a buffet, we like this, pass on this, modify this. So that goes against the Dem talking point that anything Obama wants the Republicans shoot down.

Just last week, the Republicans and Dems got a new highway transportation bill passed. But you keep believing that Obama can't get anything past these Tea Party obstructionists.

He can't, not if it involves increased revenue.

It is amazing how this president has been able to change "tax rate increases" into "revenue". They are not the same thing. Just because you increase tax rates, you may or may not get revenue. If Obama really wanted more revenue, he would open the floodgates to domestic energy production. Massive jobs, lower energy prices, lots of tax revenue to the treasury.

The only way you will get more revenue is to grow.

CriticalBill wrote: Which Obama should we listen to archer?

If you follow the Twitters, the bulk of the Republican pushback to President Obama’s deficit plan has centered on a quote Obama gave in August 2009. “The last thing you want to do is to raise taxes in the middle of a recession,” he said, “because that would just...take more demand out of the economy and put businesses in a further hole.” As the National Review’s Jim Geraghty put it, “The most effective critic of Obama’s 2011 tax hike proposal is the Barack Obama from 2009.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezr ... _blog.html

Just curious which Obama is right.

Archer?

The rich are rich because they are smart, the poor are poor because they are not.

The rich will/can hide it and therefore Obama will not see it, or they will simply move it.

archer wrote: I love it...no way PS will ever agree with a liberal...so he finds himself arguing for the welfare mom.

I love it. No "progressive" alternative to the logic of the argument, so the discussion devolves into attacking the person using reason and logic in the argument instead of emotion.

PrintSmith wrote: No "progressive" alternative to the logic of the argument, so the discussion devolves into attacking the person using reason and logic in the argument instead of emotion.

Welcome to Internet forums, PS.

It's the "progressive" way Wayne - I'm used to it by now. It's one of the reasons continuing to follow the 'Rules for Radicals' playbook won't work for those who seek to have this nation devolve into central government any longer.

CriticalBill wrote:

CriticalBill wrote: Which Obama should we listen to archer?

If you follow the Twitters, the bulk of the Republican pushback to President Obama’s deficit plan has centered on a quote Obama gave in August 2009. “The last thing you want to do is to raise taxes in the middle of a recession,” he said, “because that would just...take more demand out of the economy and put businesses in a further hole.” As the National Review’s Jim Geraghty put it, “The most effective critic of Obama’s 2011 tax hike proposal is the Barack Obama from 2009.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezr ... _blog.html

Just curious which Obama is right.

Archer?

I have more respect for a politician who will adjust policy to match the issues of the day than those who stick to their ideology/policy not matter what the issues are because.....God damn it conservatives do not raise taxes/revenue even if it's the right thing to do.

PrintSmith wrote: "No 'progressive' alternative to the logic of the argument, so the discussion devolves into attacking the person using reason and logic in the argument instead of emotion."

This has to be one of the most confusing arguments I've seen to date. The discussion devolves into using reason and logic? Since when was using emotion a higher form of debate and argument? Just blows me away....

See? Here's where I'm confused, PrintSmith, you've been trying to make the argument that increasing tariffs on imported goods will raise the price of those imported goods, and you've tried to make the argument an emotional one by saying it will hurt the welfare mom, but you haven't taken into account or even acknowledged that the reason for raising tariffs is to make the domestically produced goods competitively priced and that in turn will revitalize the jobs necessary to make those goods and hence the economy.