It's not 'Class Warfare,' it's Christianity

If God is such a capitalist, why are so many religious communities collectivist in nature? And why isn't there a gospel of Adam Smith and Milton Friedman in the Bible?

God is a libertarian conservative.

He is a property owner and land lord (i.e. Gods green earth) and runs his own business.

He believes in limited government, he only has 10 laws, all of which he strictly enforces.

He is in charge but does not micro-manage.

He does not collect any taxes but - he expects every individual to earn his or her own way.

He believes in family values.

He's a big fan of "teach a man to fish- not give a man a fish".

He has all the power but chooses to allow individual freedom.

He does not believe in collectivism - he is an individualist. (only one true god)

God is a libertarian conservative.

He is a property owner and land lord (i.e. Gods green earth) and runs his own business.

And yet his son said "And all that believed were together, and had all things common; and sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. Acts 2:44,45"



He believes in limited government, he only has 10 laws, all of which he strictly enforces.

Again, God's son made his own rules "Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. Galatians 6:2 "



He is in charge but does not micro-manage.

Seems to me like God is mocro-managing when Jesus says "Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father’s care.[a] 30 And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31 So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows. Matthew 10:29-31"



He does not collect any taxes but - he expects every individual to earn his or her own way.

Indeed, God does not collect taxes, but then he's already pretty wealthy. In terms of earning your own way, that's not quite what Jesus told his followers:
"And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, and laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. Acts 4:32, 34-35"



He's a big fan of "teach a man to fish- not give a man a fish".

I remember Jesus turning five loaves & two fishes into a feast for thousands.
"Jesus took the five loaves and two fish, looked up toward heaven, and blessed them. Then, breaking the loaves into pieces, he kept giving the bread to the disciples so they could distribute it to the people. He also divided the fish for everyone to share. Mark 6:41"



He has all the power but chooses to allow individual freedom.

True, but why does that make him a conservative?



He does not believe in collectivism - he is an individualist. (only one true god)

Again, it's his crazy son that believes in collectivism. "And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, and laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. Acts 4:32, 34-35"


So, if God is a conservative, then the only logical conclusion is that it's his renegade son that is going against the grain and preaching socialism.

Wayn-O wrote: Good points, PS. Except Jesus encouraged people to give everything they could, and promised that god would support everyone in need. Just like socialism.

Would you at least admit he was a liberal?

Liberal in a Jeffersonian way to be sure. Liberal as in confiscate and redistribute the wealth of others? Not even close.

But since Odumbo isn't Christian, it is class warfare. And these are video clips from the man himself.
http://www.christianadc.org/resources

Kate wrote: So, if God is a conservative, then the only logical conclusion is that it's his renegade son that is going against the grain and preaching socialism.

I can see where the early Christians, who were certain the Second Coming of the Messiah would occur in their lifetime, could be seen as acting in a communal manner, but I am unsure of any of the actual teachings of Jesus that advocated for having the government be all powerful and tasked with taking care of the individual welfare of each and every person. I've read the Bible cover to cover on numerous occasions, learned my faith at the knee of no less than a great uncle who was a prominent Monsignor in the Denver Archdiocese and I have yet to find such a passage Kate. I would greatly appreciate your showing me where Jesus, or the Apostles for that matter, advocated turning over all of their wealth to the government and trusting their well being to it. Would you care to point out that particular passage for all of us?

PrintSmith wrote:

Kate wrote: So, if God is a conservative, then the only logical conclusion is that it's his renegade son that is going against the grain and preaching socialism.

I can see where the early Christians, who were certain the Second Coming of the Messiah would occur in their lifetime, could be seen as acting in a communal manner, but I am unsure of any of the actual teachings of Jesus that advocated for having the government be all powerful and tasked with taking care of the individual welfare of each and every person. I've read the Bible cover to cover on numerous occasions, learned my faith at the knee of no less than a great uncle who was a prominent Monsignor in the Denver Archdiocese and I have yet to find such a passage Kate. I would greatly appreciate your showing me where Jesus, or the Apostles for that matter, advocated turning over all of their wealth to the government and trusting their well being to it. Would you care to point out that particular passage for all of us?

I didn't say what you said I said. Please stop putting words in my mouth.

Kate wrote:

PrintSmith wrote:

Kate wrote: So, if God is a conservative, then the only logical conclusion is that it's his renegade son that is going against the grain and preaching socialism.

I can see where the early Christians, who were certain the Second Coming of the Messiah would occur in their lifetime, could be seen as acting in a communal manner, but I am unsure of any of the actual teachings of Jesus that advocated for having the government be all powerful and tasked with taking care of the individual welfare of each and every person. I've read the Bible cover to cover on numerous occasions, learned my faith at the knee of no less than a great uncle who was a prominent Monsignor in the Denver Archdiocese and I have yet to find such a passage Kate. I would greatly appreciate your showing me where Jesus, or the Apostles for that matter, advocated turning over all of their wealth to the government and trusting their well being to it. Would you care to point out that particular passage for all of us?

I didn't say what you said I said. Please stop putting words in my mouth.

It's all he has left to try to win an argument... His boilerplate b.s. doesn't work any more because we've got his playbook.

And finally a response from the leftist parrot.

I'm sorry Kate, but I quoted you directly, you said that Jesus preached socialism. Now, my definition of socialism might be a bit rusty, it's not like I use it all the time or anything like that, but IIRC, and I'm pretty sure that I do, socialism involves collective ownership. According to the passage you keep providing, the members of the multitude that owned things sold them and laid the money that was paid for them at the feet of the apostles. Thus, they owned nothing, collectively or otherwise, it was all sold and the money given freely to the servants of God. Now, to use that analogy in the manner in which the regressive left seeks, the government must be substituted for the Apostles.

And you said it was the Son who believed in collectivism - which again are your words, not mine. Jesus never preached collectivism, the people or the state owning the land and the means of production. What he preached was quite the opposite of collectivism, he preached not owning anything at all - which is precisely what those early Christians practiced because they thought Jesus would BRB so to speak. The didn't own any land or any means of production, they sold it all and gave the money to the Apostles.

So I'm looking for you to provide a passage where the state is an appropriate substitution for the Apostles to complete your analogy. The problem is that Jesus didn't tell anyone to substitute the state for God. He never advocated rendering to Caesar all that was Caesar's and all that was God's, nor to render to Caesar so that Caesar could do God's work. Such intimations simply do not exist in Scripture - anywhere.