Jail... or Church?

23 Sep 2011 20:49 #11 by jf1acai
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23 Sep 2011 21:22 #12 by bailey bud
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23 Sep 2011 21:55 #13 by BadgerKustoms
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Church? As in a Christian based study type of organization?.....


I'm pagan by definition, so wouldn't that be a direct violation of my constitutional rights? Force me to chose jail or worship something that is against my beliefs..... naturally I'd choose jail in that case, but if its my 'right' to have an option and that option is bias, it IS a violation of my rights. Think about that one.



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24 Sep 2011 08:59 #14 by AspenValley
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I'm a little bothered by this statement:

"Rowland says the program is legal and doesn't violate separation of church and state issues because it allows the offender to choose church or jail..."

That is probably okay so long as the other penalty is reasonable. But there are examples in the criminal justice system that make me wonder if it would be. For instance, there are lots of programs where a person convincted of driving under the influence have the "choice" of jail time or AA. Only over the years, the jail time has gotten more and more draconian, to the point where only an idiot would choose it over AA.

So what if the same thing happened here? In trying to "encourage" people to choose the church options, what if legislaters and district attorney's threw the book at those who turn down the church option? What if your choice for a shoplifting offense is "Church every Sunday or 10 years in prison"? At that point, can a person really be said to have a "choice"?

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24 Sep 2011 13:18 #15 by chickaree
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You cannot be coerced into Godly behavior. I think the behavior of certain infamous ministers has shown us that moral behavior is not guaranteed by church attendance.

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24 Sep 2011 14:40 #16 by LadyJazzer
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That's like saying that hanging out in a garage will make you a car....

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24 Sep 2011 16:14 #17 by ShilohLady
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I remember when my brother had a DUI and was required to go to AA.... in his view, since one of the tenets of AA is to acknowledge a superior being, he felt that was requiring a religion.....

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24 Sep 2011 16:18 #18 by LadyJazzer
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As would I....

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25 Sep 2011 10:52 #19 by Residenttroll returns

LadyJazzer wrote: As would I....


Godless: The Church of Liberalism is a book by best-selling author and conservative columnist Ann Coulter, published in 2006. The book is an argument against American liberalism, which Coulter regards as so anti-scientific and faith-based that it amounts to a "primitive religion" which she claims has "its own cosmology, its own explanation for why we are here, its own gods, and its own clergy." Coulter asserts that "the basic tenet of liberalism is that nature is god and men are monkeys."[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godless:_T ... Liberalism

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25 Sep 2011 15:38 #20 by chickaree
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If I had to male a list of folks who call themselves Christians wile behaving in the most unchristianlike way possible Miss. Coulter would be near the top.

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