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Why Americans Still Support The Death Penalty
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29 Sep 2011 09:20 #1
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Why Americans Still Support The Death Penalty was created by CinnamonGirl
It has long been the conventional wisdom on both sides of the death penalty debate that if a state or the federal government were ever shown to have executed an innocent person, we'd see a dramatic drop in support for state executions. In the 2006 case Kansas v. Marsh, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, a death penalty supporter, called the search for a wrongly executed person the "Holy Grail" of death penalty opponents.
But a little less than two years after David Grann made a convincing argument in The New Yorker that the state of Texas had done just that, public support for capital punishment hasn't wavered. In October 2009, Grann wrote about Cameron Todd Willingham, executed in 2004 for setting the fire that killed his three young children. Willingham was convicted because of forensic testimony from fire officials that arson experts call junk science.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/radley-ba ... _ref=false
But a little less than two years after David Grann made a convincing argument in The New Yorker that the state of Texas had done just that, public support for capital punishment hasn't wavered. In October 2009, Grann wrote about Cameron Todd Willingham, executed in 2004 for setting the fire that killed his three young children. Willingham was convicted because of forensic testimony from fire officials that arson experts call junk science.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/radley-ba ... _ref=false
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29 Sep 2011 09:35 #2
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Stuff like this is why people still support the death penalty.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/27/jurors-see-graphic-photos-11-year-old-girl-in-connecticut-home-invasion-trial/
No possiblity whatsoever that these two are not guilty. I've never been big on the death penalty, but I'd have no problem seeing these vermin exterminated. Words can't describe how horrible there crimes were.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/27/jurors-see-graphic-photos-11-year-old-girl-in-connecticut-home-invasion-trial/
No possiblity whatsoever that these two are not guilty. I've never been big on the death penalty, but I'd have no problem seeing these vermin exterminated. Words can't describe how horrible there crimes were.
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29 Sep 2011 10:43 #3
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Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
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Wrong man executed changing peoples' mind? I don't think so. Most realistic Americans realize the justice system will make mistakes. Is it any more wrong giving someone solitary confinement for life? Sure, DNA evidence might prove them innocent after 20 years, but still most of their life is ruined.
I realize the death penalty means very little, doesn't deter, and in California death rows, you are more likely to die of old age than be executed, but I like having it continue to be an option.
I realize the death penalty means very little, doesn't deter, and in California death rows, you are more likely to die of old age than be executed, but I like having it continue to be an option.
Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
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29 Sep 2011 11:19 #4
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The silent majority will be silent no more.
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The death penalty does one thing well. When executed it stops repeat offenders.
The silent majority will be silent no more.
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29 Sep 2011 23:19 #5
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and does another thing well.....saves taxpayers money.
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HEARTLESS wrote: The death penalty does one thing well. When executed it stops repeat offenders.
and does another thing well.....saves taxpayers money.
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29 Sep 2011 23:30 #6
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Or does it? The average case that gets the death penalty ends up in an average of 12 years of involuntary, automatic appeals. I have room in my mind for an appeal (one) and any subsequent hearings if there is a reasonable foundation to doubt a previous ruling, otherwise OFF WITH THEIR HEADS. 12 years of incarceration verses ~4 or 5 makes a lot more sense and still preserves the defendant's right to a swift and just trial.
I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.
"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of him; better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry Ford
Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges; When the Republic is at its most corrupt the laws are most numerous. - Publius Cornelius Tacitus
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residenttroll wrote:
HEARTLESS wrote: The death penalty does one thing well. When executed it stops repeat offenders.
and does another thing well.....saves taxpayers money.
Or does it? The average case that gets the death penalty ends up in an average of 12 years of involuntary, automatic appeals. I have room in my mind for an appeal (one) and any subsequent hearings if there is a reasonable foundation to doubt a previous ruling, otherwise OFF WITH THEIR HEADS. 12 years of incarceration verses ~4 or 5 makes a lot more sense and still preserves the defendant's right to a swift and just trial.
I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.
"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of him; better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry Ford
Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges; When the Republic is at its most corrupt the laws are most numerous. - Publius Cornelius Tacitus
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29 Sep 2011 23:33 #7
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There's no evidence that having a death penalty in place, with the delay between sentencing and execution, actually deters other criminals from their own acts. Kind of like with kids, if you don't smack their hand for reaching in the cookie jar as soon as they've done it, it loses its intended effect - smacking them an hour later while they're building a puzzle for that earlier transgression does nothing for reducing unwanted future behavior, it just teaches the kids that you are abusive and not to be trusted, and they can't correlate the cause and effect so they'll do the unwanted behavior again (and stop building puzzles).
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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No, only that one offender, and they aren't always repeat offenders - sometimes when the 1st crime is horrific enough, they go straight to the chair.HEARTLESS wrote: The death penalty does one thing well. When executed it stops repeat offenders.
There's no evidence that having a death penalty in place, with the delay between sentencing and execution, actually deters other criminals from their own acts. Kind of like with kids, if you don't smack their hand for reaching in the cookie jar as soon as they've done it, it loses its intended effect - smacking them an hour later while they're building a puzzle for that earlier transgression does nothing for reducing unwanted future behavior, it just teaches the kids that you are abusive and not to be trusted, and they can't correlate the cause and effect so they'll do the unwanted behavior again (and stop building puzzles).
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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29 Sep 2011 23:36 #8
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Excellent point....makes me wonder why we don't offer an appeals process to those little babies before planned parenthood kills them each year. Perhaps we should give criminals the same gestation period of 9 months and then abort them.
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otisptoadwater wrote:
residenttroll wrote:
HEARTLESS wrote: The death penalty does one thing well. When executed it stops repeat offenders.
and does another thing well.....saves taxpayers money.
Or does it? The average case that gets the death penalty ends up in an average of 12 years of involuntary, automatic appeals. I have room in my mind for an appeal (one) and any subsequent hearings if there is a reasonable foundation to doubt a previous ruling, otherwise OFF WITH THEIR HEADS. 12 years of incarceration verses ~4 or 5 makes a lot more sense and still preserves the defendant's right to a swift and just trial.
Excellent point....makes me wonder why we don't offer an appeals process to those little babies before planned parenthood kills them each year. Perhaps we should give criminals the same gestation period of 9 months and then abort them.
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29 Sep 2011 23:42 #9
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And then what? we give those little babies saved from planned parenthood 9 months and then watch the congress cut all funds for their welfare mothers, their health care, and their food stamps. Why is it RT, that you only seem to care about those precious babies before they are born, but give little thought to their well being after they are born?
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residenttroll wrote:
otisptoadwater wrote:
residenttroll wrote:
HEARTLESS wrote: The death penalty does one thing well. When executed it stops repeat offenders.
and does another thing well.....saves taxpayers money.
Or does it? The average case that gets the death penalty ends up in an average of 12 years of involuntary, automatic appeals. I have room in my mind for an appeal (one) and any subsequent hearings if there is a reasonable foundation to doubt a previous ruling, otherwise OFF WITH THEIR HEADS. 12 years of incarceration verses ~4 or 5 makes a lot more sense and still preserves the defendant's right to a swift and just trial.
Excellent point....makes me wonder why we don't offer an appeals process to those little babies before planned parenthood kills them each year. Perhaps we should give criminals the same gestation period of 9 months and then abort them.
And then what? we give those little babies saved from planned parenthood 9 months and then watch the congress cut all funds for their welfare mothers, their health care, and their food stamps. Why is it RT, that you only seem to care about those precious babies before they are born, but give little thought to their well being after they are born?
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29 Sep 2011 23:57 #10
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I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.
"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of him; better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry Ford
Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges; When the Republic is at its most corrupt the laws are most numerous. - Publius Cornelius Tacitus
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I have been called a baby killer and a lot worse to my face and more than once, these are titles I don't think I deserve because of my service to the USA but citizens are allowed to say anything they want to and I have defended their right to do so. Put any label you want on me, I gave up a lot of my own life defending your right to call me what ever you want to call me.
I will never advocate the killing of babies, that is wrong on any/every level; I do support the execution of criminals who have killed others and after having been subjected to due process of law having their sentences carried out.
I will never advocate the killing of babies, that is wrong on any/every level; I do support the execution of criminals who have killed others and after having been subjected to due process of law having their sentences carried out.
I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.
"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of him; better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry Ford
Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges; When the Republic is at its most corrupt the laws are most numerous. - Publius Cornelius Tacitus
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