Prop 103

29 Sep 2011 15:40 #1 by Blazer Bob
Prop 103 was created by Blazer Bob
Just got my notice.

Increased sales tax.

Increased income tax.

Increased use tax.

No worries, it is only temporary.

"Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program."
Milton Friedman

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29 Sep 2011 15:57 #2 by Grady
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Where does that money go anyway??
Turns out the money from proposed tax hike Proposition 103 actually goes into the General Fund. Which means (in backer Rollie Heath's own words) "the General Assembly decides each year how to divvy it up".

Remember Referendum C which was also supposed to benefit education? Well there is no actual record of where that money went except that we know it didn't all go to education. So this big push that it's for the children is nothing but BS.

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29 Sep 2011 16:25 #3 by LadyJazzer
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I remember Amendment 23; and I remember the Bond Issue for Jefferson County that was supposed to come with a link to grade-improvement--"No performance, no money." Uh-huh. Ever seen a bond issue passed based on a trigger where the money wasn't distributed because the trigger didn't happen? Neither have I.

They've come to the well too many times...I'm going to vote against this one.

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29 Sep 2011 16:28 #4 by HEARTLESS
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Same here for all the above the reasons.

The silent majority will be silent no more.

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29 Sep 2011 18:41 #5 by LOL
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Read my Lips! Just chucked my copy of prop 103 in the trash. :)

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29 Sep 2011 19:42 #6 by bailey bud
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I don't support 103 - since I"d just assume not dance around the real problem.

Colorado's system of education is weak and unsustainable - and will remain weak and unsustainable until something is done about TABOR.

The state of Colorado ranks in the top 10 states in "ability to pay for education" ---- and ranks in the bottom 10 states in "actual support for education." (the same goes for higher education).

I would note, however, that I dislike the scare tactics employed by the proposition naysayers:

Raising taxes over five years would slow Colorado’s economy and lead to 27,000 fewer people working by 2016, according to a study by Eric Fruits, president of Economics International Corp. in Portland, Oregon. He was hired by the Colorado-based Common Sense Policy Roundtable, a research organization with several business leaders on its board.


No - not really - since the tax revenue would be turned around and spent on education - most of which would be retained in-state (unlike the Roundtable - which allowed their funds to go out-of-state).

If the Roundtable was really serious about Colorado's economy - they would have hired an economist somewhere in Colorado.

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29 Sep 2011 20:57 #7 by otisptoadwater
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I'll vote against prop 103, why would I voluntarily hand over more of my money to a government that has proven time and time again that it can't manage a budget?

I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.

"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of him; better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry Ford

Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges; When the Republic is at its most corrupt the laws are most numerous. - Publius Cornelius Tacitus

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29 Sep 2011 21:03 #8 by bailey bud
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While there's certainly some junk in Colorado's spending - I'd argue that our state budget is reasonably well spent.

The problem is - mandatory spending (health, pension/retirement, and the mandatory education spending) will be greater than revenue in just a few years.

Some activists introduced Prop 103 to try to introduce a short-term stop-gap measure......

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29 Sep 2011 21:08 #9 by FredHayek
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:dislike: Actually I heard this Prop is dead on arrival and even many leading state Dems don't support the tax increase.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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29 Sep 2011 23:14 #10 by Residenttroll returns
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I would like someone to explain .... why do we believe we have an education problem in Colorado? I believe we have a money management and union employee base issue in the education system.

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