Unions Set to Join "Occupy Wall Street" Protests

02 Oct 2011 08:44 #11 by Arlen
What do they NOT want?

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02 Oct 2011 08:47 #12 by AspenValley

Arlen wrote: What do they NOT want?


Why don't you look at the site and read their stories, maybe you'll figure it out.

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02 Oct 2011 09:10 #13 by UNDER MODERATION
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Lets see- You tea baggers hate the ACLU so you hate the only organization thats protecting our Civil Rights, and you hate labor unions so you're against the only organizations fighting for Human Rights..Do we have any rights that you don't try to take away?


The founding fathers were all about Power to the People, not power to the government and Corporations- which have become the same thing

And you call youselves patriots...Ha

You're Facists

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02 Oct 2011 09:31 #14 by Kate

residenttroll wrote: I cant wait to see these union boys and girls get peppered sprayed too.


How Christian of you to say that.

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02 Oct 2011 09:43 #15 by AspenValley

Kate wrote:

residenttroll wrote: I cant wait to see these union boys and girls get peppered sprayed too.


How Christian of you to say that.


Didn't you mean....

How sociopathic of you to say that.

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02 Oct 2011 09:49 #16 by LadyJazzer
You beat me to it... :yeahthat:

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02 Oct 2011 09:50 #17 by Kate

AspenValley wrote:

Kate wrote:

residenttroll wrote: I cant wait to see these union boys and girls get peppered sprayed too.


How Christian of you to say that.


Didn't you mean....

How sociopathic of you to say that.


I wish there was a sarcasm emoticon. Or perhaps sarcasm font.

It just amazes me what some self-professed Christians will actually say.

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02 Oct 2011 10:58 #18 by AspenValley
Looks like somebody is getting nervous that the protestors might get more sympathy than the police:



New York Times change story as Al Baker police bureau chief gets involved The same story, updated again, with the lead changed slightly and yet another author added to the byline:



Police Arrest More Than 700 Protesters on Brooklyn Bridge
By AL BAKER, COLIN MOYNIHAN and SARAH MASLIN NIR

Updated, 3:35 a.m. Sunday | In a tense showdown above the East River, the police arrested more than 700 demonstrators from the Occupy Wall Street protests who took to the roadway as they tried to cross the Brooklyn Bridge on Saturday afternoon.

The police said it was the marchers' choice that led to the enforcement action.

"Protesters who used the Brooklyn Bridge walkway were not arrested," Paul J. Browne, the chief spokesman for the New York Police Department, said. "Those who took over the Brooklyn-bound roadway, and impeded vehicle traffic, were arrested."

But many protesters said they believed the police had tricked them, allowing them onto the bridge, and even escorting them partway across, only to trap them in orange netting after hundreds had entered.

"The cops watched and did nothing, indeed, seemed to guide us onto the roadway," said Jesse A. Myerson, a media coordinator for Occupy Wall Street who marched but was not arrested.

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02 Oct 2011 12:18 #19 by ScienceChic
http://www.truth-out.org/five-ways-occu ... 1317476360
Five Ways Occupy Wall Street Has Succeeded
Saturday 1 October 2011
by: Mark Engler

#OccupyWallStreet protests are now well into their second week, and they are increasingly capturing the public spotlight. This is because, whatever limitations their occupation has, the protesters have done many things right. With #OccupyWallStreet, the protest did not draw in any of the major institutional players on the left. That said, this relatively small group has been holding strong. As their message has gained traction—first in the alternative media, and then in mainstream news sources—they have drawn wider interest.

The following are some of the things the participants have done that allowed what might have been a negligible and insignificant protest to achieve a remarkable level of success:
1. They chose the right target.
The #OccupyWallStreet protesters have been often criticized for not having clear demands. I am among those who believe that the occupation would have benefited from having clearer demands at the outset—and that these would have been helpful in shaping the endgame that is to come. Few institutions in our society are more in need of condemnation than the big banks and stockbrokers based where the critics are now camped. “Why are people protesting Wall Street?” For anyone who has lived through the recent economic collapse and the ongoing crises of foreclosure and unemployment, this question almost answers itself.

3. They gave their action time to build.
Most protests take place for one afternoon and then are finished. Had #OccupyWallStreet done the same, it would already have been forgotten. Instead, planners told participants to get ready to camp out.

4. They created a good scenario for conflict.
By claiming space in Zuccotti Park (also known as Liberty Plaza), #OccupyWallStreet set up an action scenario that has effectively created suspense and generated interest over time. Of course, everyone expects that police will eventually swoop in and clear the park. But, contrary to what some people think, civil disobedients have long known that arrests do not work against the movement. The fact that police have used undue force (in one now-famous incident, pepper spraying women who were already detained in a mesh police pen and clearly doing nothing to resist arrest) only reinforces this message.

5. They are using their momentum to escalate.
Lastly, but probably most importantly, the #OccupyWallStreet effort is using its success at garnering attention in the past week and a half to go even bigger. Their action is creating offshoots, with solidarity protests (#OccupyBoston, #OccupyLA) now gathering in many other cities. In this respect, the fact that #OccupyWallStreet has not relied on established progressive organizations ends up being a strength. Its independent participants are inspired by the increasing attention their critique of Wall Street is getting, and they are willing to make greater sacrifices now that their action has begun to capture the public imagination.


"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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02 Oct 2011 13:29 #20 by Residenttroll returns

Science Chic wrote: www.truth-out.org/five-ways-occupy-wall-...succeeded/1317476360
Five Ways Occupy Wall Street Has Succeeded
Saturday 1 October 2011
by: Mark Engler

#OccupyWallStreet protests are now well into their second week, and they are increasingly capturing the public spotlight. This is because, whatever limitations their occupation has, the protesters have done many things right. With #OccupyWallStreet, the protest did not draw in any of the major institutional players on the left. That said, this relatively small group has been holding strong. As their message has gained traction—first in the alternative media, and then in mainstream news sources—they have drawn wider interest.

The following are some of the things the participants have done that allowed what might have been a negligible and insignificant protest to achieve a remarkable level of success:
1. They chose the right target.
The #OccupyWallStreet protesters have been often criticized for not having clear demands. I am among those who believe that the occupation would have benefited from having clearer demands at the outset—and that these would have been helpful in shaping the endgame that is to come. Few institutions in our society are more in need of condemnation than the big banks and stockbrokers based where the critics are now camped. “Why are people protesting Wall Street?” For anyone who has lived through the recent economic collapse and the ongoing crises of foreclosure and unemployment, this question almost answers itself.

3. They gave their action time to build.
Most protests take place for one afternoon and then are finished. Had #OccupyWallStreet done the same, it would already have been forgotten. Instead, planners told participants to get ready to camp out.

4. They created a good scenario for conflict.
By claiming space in Zuccotti Park (also known as Liberty Plaza), #OccupyWallStreet set up an action scenario that has effectively created suspense and generated interest over time. Of course, everyone expects that police will eventually swoop in and clear the park. But, contrary to what some people think, civil disobedients have long known that arrests do not work against the movement. The fact that police have used undue force (in one now-famous incident, pepper spraying women who were already detained in a mesh police pen and clearly doing nothing to resist arrest) only reinforces this message.

5. They are using their momentum to escalate.
Lastly, but probably most importantly, the #OccupyWallStreet effort is using its success at garnering attention in the past week and a half to go even bigger. Their action is creating offshoots, with solidarity protests (#OccupyBoston, #OccupyLA) now gathering in many other cities. In this respect, the fact that #OccupyWallStreet has not relied on established progressive organizations ends up being a strength. Its independent participants are inspired by the increasing attention their critique of Wall Street is getting, and they are willing to make greater sacrifices now that their action has begun to capture the public imagination.



Those five points where taken right out of Alinsky's Rules for Radicals.

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