Thomas Jefferson Wanted To Rewrite the Constitution

HEARTLESS wrote: It shouldn't but the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, you may be VL/Baby Fat's dad after all.

Hey... don't be making fun of Baby Fat or Conservation Voice. I've learn so much about how to make inane and meaningless comments while at the same time sounding intelligent. They have taught Lady Jazzer and myself everything we've ever needed to know. Hail Baby and Conservation (you don't mind if I use your first names... right?)

Some day you'll think for yourself.

Conservation Voice wrote: “The dead should not rule the living”
― Thomas Jefferson

What has this to do with Jefferson allegedly supporting the rewriting the Constitution every 19 years? The living were living longer than 19 years at the time, weren't they? They also had participation in the process for longer than 19 years, didn't they? They indeed possessed the ability as we do now to amend the Constitution to keep it "updated", didn't they? I fail to understand how this one line supports the premise that Jefferson favored tossing out the current Constitution every 19 years and placing a new one in its place.

Given the breadth of my readings of Jefferson's writings, I would not be surprised to find that once again a "progressive" pulled selected words out of their intended context to make it appear that their "interpretation" had the backing and support of one who would clearly rail against such efforts were they still alive. The most recent examples are of course Obama taking liberties with Reagan's words, but the practice itself is far from a new addition to the tired and worn out playbook from which "progressives" operate. Both the Jefferson phrase of "wall of separation between church and state" and his advocacy for public support of education come to mind as examples of such intrigue. Jefferson did indeed support the idea that there should be publicly funded schools, but what "progressives" won't tell you along with that is that Jefferson was against that funding coming from any higher order of government than the county level. To paraphrase the words of his letter, he said that if it was thought that the state government would be a better conservator of the schools, it was a belief held in opposition to all logic and experience that this would be the case. To think that he would have been an advocate for the federal Department of Education stretches beyond the breaking point the known facts as they exist. Given the mess that the federal and state governments have made of the public school system, one can only conclude that here again Jefferson was much wiser, much more reasoned in his thinking than the modern day "progressive" movement could ever hope to be.

My readings of Jefferson's words lead me to the conclusion that Jefferson was speaking of debts being incurred by one generation and left to another to pay off - which is the way the modern general government has chosen to conduct itself for most of the last 70 years or so. I am convinced that if the source of the quote were disclosed along with the quote itself, that this would be proven to be the case. Do you know the original source document for the quote Wayne? I can look through the indexes of my 9 volume set of Jefferson's writings that were published by an act of Congress in the mid 1800's in an attempt to find it, but if you know which letter the quote was lifted from it would ease the effort required to either confirm or disprove my premise that it is being quoted in opposition to the context in which it was originally used.

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PrintSmith wrote:

Conservation Voice wrote: “The dead should not rule the living”
― Thomas Jefferson

What has this to do with Jefferson allegedly supporting the rewriting the Constitution every 19 years? The living were living longer than 19 years at the time, weren't they? They also had participation in the process for longer than 19 years, didn't they? They indeed possessed the ability as we do now to amend the Constitution to keep it "updated", didn't they? I fail to understand how this one line supports the premise that Jefferson favored tossing out the current Constitution every 19 years and placing a new one in its place.

Given the breadth of my readings of Jefferson's writings, I would not be surprised to find that once again a "progressive" pulled selected words out of their intended context to make it appear that their "interpretation" had the backing and support of one who would clearly rail against such efforts were they still alive. The most recent examples are of course Obama taking liberties with Reagan's words, but the practice itself is far from a new addition to the tired and worn out playbook from which "progressives" operate. Both the Jefferson phrase of "wall of separation between church and state" and his advocacy for public support of education come to mind as examples of such intrigue. Jefferson did indeed support the idea that there should be publicly funded schools, but what "progressives" won't tell you along with that is that Jefferson was against that funding coming from any higher order of government than the county level. To paraphrase the words of his letter, he said that if it was thought that the state government would be a better conservator of the schools, it was a belief held in opposition to all logic and experience that this would be the case. To think that he would have been an advocate for the federal Department of Education stretches beyond the breaking point the known facts as they exist. Given the mess that the federal and state governments have made of the public school system, one can only conclude that here again Jefferson was much wiser, much more reasoned in his thinking than the modern day "progressive" movement could ever hope to be.

My readings of Jefferson's words lead me to the conclusion that Jefferson was speaking of debts being incurred by one generation and left to another to pay off - which is the way the modern general government has chosen to conduct itself for most of the last 70 years or so. I am convinced that if the source of the quote were disclosed along with the quote itself, that this would be proven to be the case. Do you know the original source document for the quote Wayne? I can look through the indexes of my 9 volume set of Jefferson's writings that were published by an act of Congress in the mid 1800's in an attempt to find it, but if you know which letter the quote was lifted from it would ease the effort required to either confirm or disprove my premise that it is being quoted in opposition to the context in which it was originally used.

Just as I suspected - typical rewriting of historical facts by "modern progressives". The thing is that Jefferson was quite clear in his writings- the left really has to try hard to stretch the truth, and the revisionist must ignore the "sprit of intent" that is more than obivious in the founding fathers writings. There is no ambiguity if one simply accepts the truth. The modern liberal knows the truth deep down in his/her heart, but chooses to ignore it and proceeds with the twists and lies in order to find false support for an immoral and corrupt ideology.

I can not find anywhere where Jefferson wanted to rewrite the constitution. It's a bullsh** lie.

"On every question of construction, let us carry ourselves back to the
time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested
in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out
of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in
which it was passed."

Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June 12, 1823, The
Complete Jefferson, p. 322.

The above quote by Jefferson is what he actually did say about the issue. Try to revise that!

It's pretty obvious many of the posters here never bothered to click on the original link to read about the constitution project, but feel compelled to comment anyway.