Thoughts on OWS

Lot's of talk on the occupy movement.

Was thinking...people talking about what they are protesting...is it the big fat cats on wall street...is it our representative govt officials....

I think the people that, if you are going to protest - not that I am behind it, that you should protest the American people for picking such poor leaders over and over.

This though comes out of people talking about revolution and communism. The thought that if we follow the plot to Star Wars and just concentrate out government enough, just for a little while, the new deciders will make better decisions for us that we have been making. I just think the thought of revolution in our current political and structure of a system is near impossible or perhaps even without meaning. How can have a revolution when you in fact can completely change our leaders every few years or more often. You don't ever need to revolt and you are never justified in doing so, just find better ways to communicate to your fellow citizens to vote better....that is unless you no longer get to pick your leaders.

So for me, the occupy movement represents our collective failure in picking our leaders and deciders. Seems that we do it the same way we pick class pres in high school, for the same wrong reasons.

Good luck.

It will probably go on much longer than the teabaggers because:

1) It's not an astroturf movement funded by FreedomWorks and the Koch Brothers;
2) Most of the participants don't have to be in by 9pm before their supply of Geritol runs out.
3) They don't have to go get their teabags refreshed with new ones; and get their silly tri-cornered hats and red jackets to the cleaners.
4) ....

Oh well... You get the idea...

I agree 100%. We the electorate (and I include myself as much as I hate to admit it) do not do our necessary due diligence in the election process. We listen to sound bytes, the stupid ads and biased media. It is possible to find good, hard facts about the candidates and their agendas, but one has to be willing to spend some time doing homework, and it doesn't seem like most folks want to take the time. My other pet peeve (and again, I'm just as guilty of this as the next guy!) is that a lot of folks tend to focus in on one or two "wedge" issues rather than look at the whole picture. I've heard people say "I won't vote for him, he's pro-choice." or "I won't vote for her, she's anti-union.". While those may be legitimate reasons to write off a candidate, what about where they stand on all the other issues? And how does that compare with the opponent? I'm just saying better to look at the big picture.

Then again, it seems to me that fewer and fewer honest, sincere people are running for office. In part I believe that is because most everyone has some embarassing/illegal thing in their past that the media could dredge up and use to pillory them, and they don't want to deal with it. But mostly I think it's about power and influence. The "little guys" have none and so are rejected from the process out-of-hand. Case in point, you don't see too many third-party candidates get any sort of media attention, not even to be included in debates. So the electorate to me is, in effect, force-fed a roster of "acceptable" candidates.

Don't know what the answer is, but that's my .02

LJ....Pick your Reply

A - Who said anything about the tea party?

B - You are wrong, here are some silly reasons that parallel yours:
1) The tea party has more money and influence on the media
2) They are trying to work within the system
3) They call themselves a party

C - I guess you missed my point - I am talking about how we set up a system - at least in writing - where we decide on our leaders, so when they fail once, we feel like we made an error, but we are ranting about how they are failing over and over and people are talking about revolution and I am saying that is absurd, just elect better leaders for a change or make better laws ourselves without them.

D - Whatever. You embody the real problem at hand, finding any way we can to take an issue and rather than discussing it, make it an us vs. them. We all loose when we play that game, and we are loosing...so thanks.

It's impossible to elect the best leaders anymore because of the media. Why would a smart and thoughtful person ever decide to get in a political race when they get put under the microscope for every little indiscretion they've ever made? When people decide to move next door just to stalk you for a story or dig through your trash, it's a huge detractor...you would have to be insane or just mad power hungry....and that's all we ever seem to get.

LadyJazzer wrote: It will probably go on much longer than the teabaggers because:

1) It's not an astroturf movement funded by FreedomWorks and the Koch Brothers;

You're right! It's a bunch of a##holes movement funded by SEIU and the Obama campaign.

2) Most of the participants don't have to be in by 9pm before their supply of Geritol runs out.

You're right again! The participants don't wake before 9 a.m. - they have no jobs.

3) They don't have to go get their teabags refreshed with new ones; and get their silly tri-cornered hats and red jackets to the cleaners.

You're right again.... unlike the tea party members, these new PEE party members need the government to clean up after them.


4) ....and I wonder why they're not protesting against the bailout receivers GM and Chrysler.



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Political BS will continue. OWS ought to focus on our government, they are the ones who bailed out the idiots on WS and the rust belt. We all know that until we can get real leadership this country is a sinking ship of injustice. As posted on anther thread, "When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty" Our political leaders are about to call us to duty.

OWS is just too wimpy. It they were a true political movement concerned about corporate control over goverment, they would be attacking the biggest reciepient, Barack Hussein Obama.

And they are astroturf, OWS was founded by Canadians, foreign Astroturf.

Yeah, I can see that the fact that it's spread to 82 nations must surely be some sort of astroturf thing... How's that teabagging thing workin' out for ya?

While 30% of Americans are sympathetic to the OWS protests, if they pull the Democratic party to the hard, anti-capitalist Left, the GOP will benefit.