Posts/Participation ratio

24 Oct 2011 10:59 #21 by Rick
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neptunechimney wrote:

CynicalBill wrote: This place is a political dumpster.


Bill, for serious politics I've been going to siliconinvestor.com for about the last 15 years. It started as an investment site but has expanded to include just about everything.

Hey thanks man, I'll check that out.

The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.

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24 Oct 2011 11:01 #22 by Rick
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Joe wrote:

towermonkey wrote:
Cbill - your earlier experimental debate went well I thought. ?

It went ok with ONE person willing to try it...I was shocked to see one.

The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.

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25 Oct 2011 08:41 #23 by BadgerKustoms
A few reasons why I skip a lot of posts:

1. I don't really watch much TV at all, and sometimes I don't even know what the thread is talking about. Sort of sucks when I understand just enough of it, then I have to Google info on people I've never heard of only to find out they're some sort of self-appointed super star... meaning they have no real talent. Usually I won't post to a thread when I don't already have enough info on the subject at hand. TV is useless most of the time due to "mediated reality".

2. Most of the threads in here turn into the "my party vs. your party" B.S., sometimes I agree with points from either side, other times they're both way off base and too damn blinded by "mediated reality" (there's that term again), that they don't even know it. Often times I'll read a few posts, roll my eyes and move on elsewhere.

3. Of all the forums I'm a member of, this one... one that involves fellow members of the community in which I live... is the most uncivil, disturbing group who can't hold a debate to save their lives. And yet ironically hardly any of them have the balls to speak the same way in person. Bunch of keyboard commandos... its a shame really. As I've mentioned in other threads, I'm a member of some 1%er biker forums, (for those that don't know what that means, "patch holders", "M.C. clubs", some of which hate each other and make the news on occasions), and the political based threads in those forums is 180 degrees different. Very civil, orderly and overall respectful/accepting of another person's opinion. Many times the individuals there can agree to disagree and hold no grudges. There's no name calling, or childish antics... quite interesting when you consider it really. Sometimes I can simply read the poster's names and know not to even open the thread.

So those are just several points in which I don't post or even waste my time in a thread. The last point is just a personal one, and perhaps the largest reason however:

4. Sometimes my personal views are so radically different that I'll opt not to post simply because I feel no one would understand it anyway, nor do I want to spend so much time explaining it. So different that even in this forum I question if my comments would lead me to be banned.... not afraid of banning, don't particularly care, but it is convenient to log on and check out the local news once in a while.

There you have it, reasons for skipping some threads. Perhaps a few other's share the same feelings, or not.



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25 Oct 2011 09:12 #24 by Pony Soldier

BadgerKustoms wrote: perhaps the largest reason however:

4. Sometimes my personal views are so radically different that I'll opt not to post simply because I feel no one would understand it anyway, nor do I want to spend so much time explaining it. So different that even in this forum I question if my comments would lead me to be banned.... not afraid of banning, don't particularly care, but it is convenient to log on and check out the local news once in a while.

There you have it, reasons for skipping some threads. Perhaps a few other's share the same feelings, or not.
Badger


That's one of the reasons I like to come here, to hear different views, even if they are radically different. That is what makes for a good discussion rather than mudslinging.

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25 Oct 2011 17:36 #25 by Soulshiner
No banning or repercussions on 285 means people are free to go for the jugular with little to no civility. That is what many people like about 285. Some posters are heavily against any but the lightest of moderation. They want to push the buttons and be able to rip into anyone they want to. There is still bitching about Pinecam on the front page of The Ring. The community itself is responsible for the civil/uncivil society that it becomes. Each and every poster who posts anything contributes to the civility of the community. It is their choice whether they present themselves as civil or not and everyone's choice adds up to the atmosphere of the community.

Guess what, this is what freedom really looks like.

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25 Oct 2011 19:55 #26 by BadgerKustoms
While I understand the point of freedom Soulshiner, the risks of being banned in the 1%er forums is also almost 'nil' unless the user is portraying some kind of obvious fraud. (Big thing over there, "be you or be gone".) I just find it ironic that over there, you quite literally have members of factions that truly despise one another and yet you'll not find one thread of a flame nature. I've seen a lot of point/counter point type posts with "kudos" in between posted by those I know are absolute rivals. Granted, there's the whole "business is just business" speech, but doesn't anyone else find it a bit interesting that two warring factions can be completely civil in the public eye? (Yes, I know the underlying tone I've just placed there and yes it was included on purpose to arouse hypothetical thought, for perhaps a different future topic... but still just saying...)

The challenge I often impose to others is to 'look within'. If a person can support a party so much, then surely they can tell me its faults.... if they can't, they're obviously a sheeple and deluded in perhaps more ways than one. Point: I once thought of myself as a conservative leaning right, but I came to the realization that some things the left says hold much merit and should be taken into great consideration. Then taking a look even further I realized points where both parties are fighting a battle that can only end in stalemate leaving a country I love hanging in the balance of political B.S. (Which is exactly where we're at.) Taking yet another moment to analyze certain situations the country is in, I developed theories and possible solutions to problems that I quickly found alienated me from several I once called "friends". Some ideas consist of a complete re-write of ways due to the evolution of technology, some consist of returning to original intent and allowing for said evolution. So I've been dubbed 'radical revolutionist' by some and yet oddly enough I take it as a compliment and fully intend to illustrate and write a graphic novel on the concept simply exploiting our capitalistic side.... nothing wrong with that.

The bottom line is, no civil discussion seems to take place here unless a thread is already dominated by like minded individuals. Freedom is indeed a very wonderful thing, and though I'm very sure our forefathers had some tough disputes.... some even ending in duels to the death, this forum is HARDLY capable of such respect and it largely resides within certain individuals we have as members here. From a personal stand point, sure tell me you disagree and tell me why. Talk to me face to face and you'll see I'm civil still. Insult me on a computer screen and you're a chickensh**... because do so in person and we'll both make the Flume if not the news. No one on here speaks as though they're face to face and it is because of this the lack of respect is HIGHLY evident. I'm just supposed to act like none of the conversation happened when meeting someone in person?.... Sorry, that's just not the way I operate, call it holding a grudge, but insult me anywhere and I'll remember it, threaten my family and become a statistic... just who I am I guess.

And the sad fact is, (after all this novel I've just written here) this is just MY opinion.... one in many. If I don't like it, I can 'move on' and thusly that is what I tend to do. Surf for a moment, see nothing worth my input and go to another forum. Sure there's still plenty to read and learn here on occasion and so I'll remain a member, but I'll only post when I feel its worth my time to do so, which as I've stated is sometimes few.



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25 Oct 2011 20:08 #27 by otisptoadwater

I just find it ironic that over there, you quite literally have members of factions that truly despise one another and yet you'll not find one thread of a flame nature. I've seen a lot of point/counter point type posts with "kudos" in between posted by those I know are absolute rivals. Granted, there's the whole "business is just business" speech, but doesn't anyone else find it a bit interesting that two warring factions can be completely civil in the public eye?


An armed society is a polite society... I'm guessing that the folks you might call out in those forums would take real action instead of just posting that you are an idiot as a response. People get very selective with their words when there are real penalties to pay when they choose strong words.

Since I joined this site I have enjoyed being able to say exactly what I mean and let those who are offended be offended. I'm guilty of spawning a few threads that have dragged on and devolved in to what I consider to be "you are wrong, I am right" childishness. I other cases it's clear that my personal and political beliefs are very different from others but I generally won't back down from that kind of discussion/argument because of what I have learned, experienced, and know to be true. I'm not against what anyone else wants to believe or their right to believe it but I will point out the faults when there is no logic in a statement or I see no value in a particular belief.

What I have not seen is more traffic in the more neutral forums like the Campfire. When I log on to 285Bound and take a look at the active topics I see that the majority of the posts that are active are in the Courthouse and the topics are generally political in nature. So why not more traffic in the Campfire, Kitchen, Pet Corner, etc? No one has anything to post that isn't a scathing rip on one political party or the other, protests, military actions the US is involved in or threatened by?

I'm guessing most of us want to communicate with each other and discuss what the events in the news really mean to us. One of the best examples of a civil thread that I can think of is when a fire breaks out, no one calls anyone a moron or debates why one route or another out of the area is stupid. The community pulls together and we all feel the need to address a common threat. I've compared this phenomenon with being aboard a ship when a collision with another vessel occurs in the past; in that moment no one is a particular race, color, or creed, no one is a Democrat or a Republican, no one is a city slicker or a backwoods country hick. The entire crew is only concerned with the damage control that is required to keep the ship from sinking and saving their collective lives as a team.

Like others who have already made this point, I believe that traffic on 285Bound is a reflection of how divided our community is on many points. Most of the topics that draw a lot of attention and multiple posts have real impacts to our personal futures and the future of our nation, they are highly charged and they will probably always be divisive because most people will take one side or the other and defend their position.

I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.

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25 Oct 2011 20:22 #28 by UNDER MODERATION
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Joe wrote: Just an observation. Lately there seems to be lots of posts with 0 or 1 response, just looking at the last three pages of "active topics"

Seems like lots of shouting and outrages, and not much discussion. That's all.

I suppose it's just a sign of the divided partisan times.

Not all that interesting to read really, the site just reads like the news headlines sometimes.

Maybe its just a temporary phase. :)



Ah..I think it means Neptune Chimney and Viking are starting a lot of threads

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25 Oct 2011 20:31 #29 by HappyCamper
I like reading stuff but am not into the politics that is my private opinion.

Would like to see what I call more feel good posts but that is just me.

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26 Oct 2011 00:15 #30 by ScienceChic
285Bound was started for those who lost their voice in the online community of the 285 Corridor, and for those who desired participation in an alternative method of managing the discussions. Forums were organized to direct people to the appropriate place to post and the discussions are initiated and populated by the members, not 285Bound staff or outsiders from some corporation. The basic operating premise is that moderation based on content is not done - it's up to each member to post in the appropriate forum - if you want to degrade and attack a political party and its followers, do so in the Ring. If you want to have serious, intelligent, actual debate, do so in the Courthouse, but it's up to the members to moderate themselves. This site is what we make of it ourselves, not what we are told or forced to make of it. And it will grow in the places/forums where it is needed and wanted by the members.

As to otis's comment:

otisptoadwater wrote: What I have not seen is more traffic in the more neutral forums like the Campfire. When I log on to 285Bound and take a look at the active topics I see that the majority of the posts that are active are in the Courthouse and the topics are generally political in nature. So why not more traffic in the Campfire, Kitchen, Pet Corner, etc? No one has anything to post that isn't a scathing rip on one political party or the other, protests, military actions the US is involved in or threatened by?

I think that the reason that there aren't more neutral topics is because politics is of the highest interest to the most active of members on here, and the reason we have politically active members is because the atmosphere at other local sites is not conducive to having dialog (cuz you can't talk when threads get locked!) or there's not enough critical mass. I, for one, would dearly love to have even more content in every other forum here as a "community" forum should contain something that appeals to every member of the community; but again, it's up to the members to fill those forums with content. If you think there's not enough, then by all means, consider yourselves politely requested to do so! :) If you visit a local restaurant, post a review. If you go camping, take pictures and post them! If you know of an event your church is holding, or something scheduled by a community group that looks like fun, let all of us know! Keep in mind that 285Bound is still a young site - just about to hit 18 months - and we have a lot off community information and resources yet untapped and brought in. There's much work yet to be done.

I'm guessing most of us want to communicate with each other and discuss what the events in the news really mean to us. One of the best examples of a civil thread that I can think of is when a fire breaks out, no one calls anyone a moron or debates why one route or another out of the area is stupid. The community pulls together and we all feel the need to address a common threat. I've compared this phenomenon with being aboard a ship when a collision with another vessel occurs in the past; in that moment no one is a particular race, color, or creed, no one is a Democrat or a Republican, no one is a city slicker or a backwoods country hick. The entire crew is only concerned with the damage control that is required to keep the ship from sinking and saving their collective lives as a team.

Exactly. The way this community pulled together when Becky's daughter went missing was a perfect example - differences were set aside for the time being, even between people who wouldn't otherwise give each other the time of day, much less direct assistance, until it was resolved. When life is not only about survival or an emergency situation, people have time to reflect on what else is important in their lives and how to change it, and want to have those discussions with others in their sphere of influence, and that's when all of that collective coming together gets forgotten because rather than being united in one commonality, we are suddenly focusing on, and elevating in importance, the myriad of differences between us. To keep in mind the commonalities when not in a time of crisis, and continue to respond to those same online neighbors in a differences-set-aside, more civil manner, even when it's the differences that are being heatedly debated, is always something to strive for.

Like others who have already made this point, I believe that traffic on 285Bound is a reflection of how divided our community is on many points. Most of the topics that draw a lot of attention and multiple posts have real impacts to our personal futures and the future of our nation, they are highly charged and they will probably always be divisive because most people will take one side or the other and defend their position.

A strong community, that which is most likely to weather any storm/hardship, is the one that is the most diverse - not divided, but diverse. You need people of all persuasions who can bring their unique skills, viewpoints, and methods of solving problems in order to overcome any challenge faced by the community as a whole. This country was not founded by a group of people who all had similar goals, thoughts, principles, and beliefs; and we are the better for it because one paradigm did not win out over another - we were founded on compromised guidelines that allowed for flexibility, adaptability, and growth while placing checks on the manners in which humans' less noble of instincts could hasten the destruction of the country as a whole. What this means is that, on an individual level, there are not limits to the strife and struggle between individuals of opposing beliefs, so we get down to an online forum where people come together, some anonymously, some not, to hash out that process that was begun long ago when humankind first started forming groups for survival and argued over the best way to go about it. It will be acrimonious, impassioned, and at times loud and angry. But there is no reason it can't be respectful where it should be respectful, and nasty where it should be nasty.

Because in the end, forging ahead with only my solution to a problem, or you going with only your solution to a problem, either have little chance of success because my way has blind spots and your way has blind spots that neither of us has thought of, unless we've listened to each other's novel ideas/viewpoints and resolved the weaknesses in our solutions through incorporation of each other's ideas (and you're not listening if you're not reading and critically considering what someone posts, you're calling the other person names/being rude, or are just here to troll).

I appreciate what everyone has to bring to this forum as the exposure to unique ideas, knowledge, and experience can only make my ideas, knowledge, and experience all the better. Thank you!

Now start getting more of your friends, family, and neighbors on here so we get more ideas and viewpoints! :biggrin:

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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