Did We Create a Bigger Monster in Libya?

And changes might not even be Islamic laws, but cultural. I never observed it, but my parents say women used to have to keep their heads covered in Catholic Church.

And I would imagine the Muslmi Brotherhood is different in every nation, based on a combination of Islam and their culture.

None of this will be easy," Obama said after meeting with Libyan officials at the United Nations. "After decades of iron rule by one man, it will take time to build the institutions needed for a democratic Libya."

So does Obama believe that Sharia and a democracy are compatible or did he make a miscalculation?

Conservation Voice wrote: Libya? Just wait till we pull out of Iraq and watch what happens.

I agree with you Wayne. When such decisions are made for political reasons, the results usually are not all that wonderful.

SS109 wrote: The Arab Spring is starting to remind me of the Soviet takeover of Russia. Sure the Tsar was bad, but the solution is worse.

And that is usually the way it works. The French uprising resulted in executions, as did the ones in Russia, China, Cuba, Mexico, and numerous locations in Africa. That is the usual course of things once tyranny of the majority takes hold - a bloodbath.

SS109 wrote: The Arab Spring is starting to remind me of the Soviet takeover of Russia. Sure the Tsar was bad, but the solution is worse.

Or more currently, Iran. Remember when the Shah of Iran was our friend?

Our foreign policy over the years (and not just in the Middle East) had been dismal in my opinion. We prop up unpopular leaders, then we assist the rebels in toppling them when the toppling becomes inevitable. Or we covertly try to topple the rebels once they seize power. I think we have enough of our own problems here at home - we need to get out of there and let them do what they're going to do. In the end that's what will happen anyway.

Specifically on Sharia I think the women of the country in question need to try and make changes from within. I think that's the only way any significant change will be accepted and work.

It wouldn't be so bad if were just friends with them, but we have to go and sell them weapons (maybe that's why they want to be our friends). Then, we end up fighting an army or air force equipped with weapons we sold them when were were their friends who are following a person who once our friend but is now out enemy.

I wish we spent half as much at home as we do on our military and operations overseas.

Lybia- It was discusting to see the propaganda The US drummed up on Momar - it's obivious that they are after the oil.

What many people did not know- is that gaddafi was for the most part- cooperating with the US and keeping out of trouble. Before this year- when was the last time you heard about him? He was arresting US related al qaeda suspects and handing them over to us- he was keeping terrorists out of his country.

We saw an easy target- and we jumped on it. It appears that NATO has supported al qaeda groups in order to take out gaddafi. It could very well be that we have stirred up a hornets nest, and the future will tell- but this may have been a very big mistake.

There are other countries that I would have put much higher in priority- including #1 Iran, and #2 North Korea #3 Syria. These places are far more dangerous than Lybia was to us- especially when you look at gaddafi's record of keeping out of trouble and cooperating with the west.

We didn't have any business messing around in Lybia- and this could come back to bite us real hard- we will be lucky if we find good cooperation like we had with gaddafi in recent years.

We should not have been involved in Lybia.

Conservation Voice wrote: I wish we spent half as much at home as we do on our military and operations overseas.

Amen to that.

BearMtnHIB wrote: Lybia- It was discusting to see the propaganda The US drummed up on Momar - it's obivious that they are after the oil.

What many people did not know- is that gaddafi was for the most part- cooperating with the US and keeping out of trouble. Before this year- when was the last time you heard about him? He was arresting US related al qaeda suspects and handing them over to us- he was keeping terrorists out of his country.

We saw an easy target- and we jumped on it. It appears that NATO has supported al qaeda groups in order to take out gaddafi. It could very well be that we have stirred up a hornets nest, and the future will tell- but this may have been a very big mistake.

There are other countries that I would have put much higher in priority- including #1 Iran, and #2 North Korea #3 Syria. These places are far more dangerous than Lybia was to us- especially when you look at gaddafi's record of keeping out of trouble and cooperating with the west.

We didn't have any business messing around in Lybia- and this could come back to bite us real hard- we will be lucky if we find good cooperation like we had with gaddafi in recent years.

We should not have been involved in Lybia.

...and that.

BearMtnHIB and Castro see eye-to-eye on this one. Congratulations.

Former Cuban leader Fidel Castro denounced NATO on Monday for its role in the overthrow of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, saying the "brutal military alliance has become the most perfidious instrument of repression the history of humanity has known."

The elder Castro has sharply criticized NATO's intervention in Libya from the beginning and praised Gaddafi, a Castro friend, for his resistance.

He also has attacked NATO as an instrument of his longtime ideological foe, the United States.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/ ... YC20111024

It could very well be that we have stirred up a hornets nest, and the future will tell- but this may have been a very big mistake.

Don't you think invading Iraq and occupying it for a decade has stirred up a bigger hornet's nest?

Don't you think invading Iraq and occupying it for a decade has stirred up a bigger hornet's nest?

Yes I do. Now we have two hornets nests!

Well three- Egypt too.