Who can join the Tea Party?

285CorridorTeaPartyGroup
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08 Nov 2011 09:00 #21 by 285CorridorTeaPartyGroup

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Science Chic wrote:
Grady wrote:
Conservation Voice wrote: They don't check IDs at the Tea Party meetings, either.
Are you sure?????
They never had to check mine - I'm infamous :Whistle (and unwanted! apparently, BearMtn would now toss me out)! :Whistle rofllol

Dr Philban wrote: And my question is not out of place. A little Google-fu on your part would bring you to the realization that there are many Tea Party "chapters" who do extend an open invitation to Independents, Libertarians and Democrats. My reason for asking was I remember when the Conifer Tea Party group was forming, there was a lot of make-believe-hush-hush-childlike behavior in regards to when and where they were meeting, how one could attend and what their actual agenda would be. I asked them then about the "flavor" and make up of their "chapter" and they refused to give me a straight answer then. I am not a traditional conservative and I wouldn't fit the mold of a three-cornered-hatted-white-knee-socked-wearing-patriot... so I decided to test the waters again, on this thread, to see if they had become a little more flexible and fair.

I got my answer on this thread. They are still a exclusive-club-for-white-Jesus-believing-hillbilly-patriots who seem to have the combined IQ of a jackass.
The Conifer Tea Party group has been very good about announcing their meetings here on 285Bound every month, without fail. They haven't done a good job of disseminating information beyond that, I will say, and I'm not entirely sure of why. But don't let BearMtn's prickly comments be your sole source of information on which you form your opinion of this group; there are many good, well-intentioned people who are a part of this group and I would recommend to anyone that they attend a meeting and see for themselves what it's really like, rather than taking the words of an individual or two and basing their opinion on that alone.

Since you missed all the earlier info, not having been a member of 285Bound until recently, here's a sample:
What the 285 Corridor Tea Party Group Believes!
re: 285 Corridor Tea Party Group Meeting 2/17
VOTE on TUESDAY, MAY 3! CONIFER PARK & REC!
285 Corridor Tea Party Group Meeting 3/17/11 (Coup)
June Meeting 6/16
GOP poll: Tea party movement could cost Republicans in 2012

You know we love you.

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Wayne Harrison
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08 Nov 2011 09:12 #22 by Wayne Harrison

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Every party has racist members....

How To White Wash Racism: Revisiting the Tea Party Racists

It’s been difficult for the Tea Party faithful to simply admit that yes, they do have racists among them. Every party does, why should they be any different? It obviously doesn’t mean they are all racist any more than it means that Democrats or Republicans are all racist because they have racists in their ranks. It does though raise important questions that American’s have to weigh when looking at the party, or any party for that matter. There are racists in all parties. Even the Tea Party. But, for some reason, they resist it. My intuition tells me this is because they are hiding the ugly fact that for some one of their primary motivations against Obama is racism. It wouldn’t be new in the annals of American conservative extremism and nativism. So, along comes confirmation of my intuition.

http://www.buzztwang.com/2011/04/how-to ... y-racists/

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ScienceChic
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08 Nov 2011 09:26 #23 by ScienceChic

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You know we love you.

You should - I'm a liberal and I've done more to get your message out!

:jk2:

Seriously though, it would be nice if your group would post a summary of what was discussed at your meetings, disseminate any information given by your speakers, and invite those who attended to participate here/share their opinions - only by opening up your ideas on how to improve the functioning of our government, to friend and foe alike, can you form solid, effective, non-partisan solutions and support for your goals. And I'm not saying this because I want people to come in and tear the Tea Party apart, or create drama and get interest in 285Bound, has nothing to do with any of that (frankly, I've got enough drama in my life, thank you very much, and would like to lessen that - takes too much time and energy and I've got a lot to do to make this website #1 in the community!). I've said it before , and will again,

you don't effect change unless you tell people what you believe and why your viewpoint is important and that what you hope to accomplish will make a difference.

and listen to them and let them help you find the flaws in your thinking so you can fix them, or counter with a stronger argument as to why they are incorrect in their thinking. Unless you work with those with whom you disagree, and convince them of the merit of your plans, they will never be invested in your goals and never help you succeed.

I believe it's why our country is in the shape it's in now; rather than opposing sides working together to find stronger solutions that emphasize each others strengths and make up for each others weaknesses; we continue to get partisan, crappy legislation that benefits only some, and hurts everyone at large. If you're too afraid of what people will say about your plans/goals/actions, or can't/won't defend them, or have to work in secret, then maybe you need to step back and ask yourself why (not directed specifically at the Tea Party, but at everyone - I'm very tired of all the behind-closed-doors crap going on with our federal government). Stepping off soap box now!

Have a great day everyone!

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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Sugar Lady
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08 Nov 2011 09:54 #24 by Sugar Lady

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You could start with the last meeting I didn't take notes.
The speakers where wonderful and had lots of info I didn't know about immigration,both legal and illegal.

Ton Tancredo, illegal immigration experts and activists Jan Herron and noted author Frosty Wooldridge.
Part of the meeting will include a presentation by the producer and director for an upcoming film project “The Oasis”.
Click this link to see what "The Oasis" is all about. http://www.indiegogo.com/The-Oasis

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Wayne Harrison
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08 Nov 2011 11:22 #25 by Wayne Harrison

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Didn't SC get into trouble over taking notes at a Tea Party meeting? I recall some members denying something or other that she had taken notes on.

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BearMtnHIB
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08 Nov 2011 11:26 #26 by BearMtnHIB

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Conservation Voice wrote:
Dr Philban wrote: You're blurb on the front page of the Courthouse forum say "A political advocacy for Conservative American principles. We propose a positive direction for Conservative Americans; focusing on folks living along the "285 Corridor"." I thought the Tea Party was open to people of all political persuasions... Democrats, Republicans, Independents... what's up with that?

That's kind of like asking why don't Catholics allow Jews to join?

It's a conservative group. If you don't have conservative principles, why would (a) they want you (b) you want to join?

It is a conservative group- and I don't know why they would want liberals or socialists to attend their regular meetings. In these meetings - the group may want to plan stategy or discuss the merits of one political candidate over another.

These are subjects better discussed by those who are conservative. I would not think including the opinions of communists or socialists in that discussion would be helpful at all, in fact it would probably be detrimental to the decision making process to include the opinions of your political opposites.

I would think there would need to be a distinction between meetings regarding policy matters and just informative presentations where everyone - including the leftists were welcome.

If everyone including the lefties are involved in everything- it's going to be a messy ordeal, and I don't think a group like that would get anything accomplished- ever, it would just be a waste of time.

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ScienceChic
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08 Nov 2011 12:10 #27 by ScienceChic

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BearMtnHIB wrote: It is a conservative group- and I don't know why they would want liberals or socialists to attend their regular meetings. In these meetings - the group may want to plan stategy or discuss the merits of one political candidate over another.

Ummm, because not everyone is either/or? Just because one is not a conservative doesn't automatically make them a socialist or communist - life has lots of gray areas BearMtn, independents, moderates, etc, and spectrums of beliefs on specific issues, even among hard-core conservatives and liberals - to dismiss them outright, or ignore them completely is to marginalize and isolate your group's beliefs - you will never be accepted by mainstream and never accomplish anything.

These are subjects better discussed by those who are conservative. I would not think including the opinions of communists or socialists in that discussion would be helpful at all, in fact it would probably be detrimental to the decision making process to include the opinions of your political opposites.

I disagree. This nation was founded by a group of people who debated many radically opposing notions, and created the best form of government to date from those back and forth arguments and compromises over what direction to take.

I would think there would need to be a distinction between meetings regarding policy matters and just informative presentations where everyone - including the leftists were welcome.

Then again, you are marginalizing what those with differing viewpoints can bring to the table. Only having closed-door decisions on policy are unhealthy for a republic, as we've seen - you would endorse doing the same thing our government is now doing that's screwing us up? Wouldn't you want to have input in liberals' policies so they don't screw up too?

If everyone including the lefties are involved in everything- it's going to be a messy ordeal, and I don't think a group like that would get anything accomplished- ever, it would just be a waste of time.

Then they need to work harder and stop being so hard-line close-minded, and obstinate. Of course it's messy! Nothing worth doing is ever easy or quick.

Didn't SC get into trouble over taking notes at a Tea Party meeting? I recall some members denying something or other that she had taken notes on.

Yes, that was the last link I put into my first post in this thread, as it still contained lots of good info from those who attended the meetings. The problem was that I was the only one posting information, and only a couple of people disputed a few minor points from the first two meetings I covered (as I'd asked for, I stated quite clearly that my notes were not intended to be comprehensive, nor were they to be accepted as the only factual representation as I readily admit to errors and missing information when covering something live); then, we had an entirely different problem and it wasn't really all about the accuracy of the information, but that's a private matter not up for discussion). And I said then, as I do now, that there needs to be more than one person posting information from the meetings - dialog back and forth is what brings out the closest representation of what actually happens (multiple eyewitness effect, you know) and allows other who didn't attend to seek clarification on details, and provide their own input that can be taken or left, but at least is shared and hopefully considered. At least, that's my goal with having political forums on here (and hope to expand that for the upcoming election).

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BearMtnHIB
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08 Nov 2011 12:31 #28 by BearMtnHIB

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So if I bring a bunch of gun control advocates to the tea party meeting- can we get the group to to go along with banning guns?

How helpful would that be?

There's no room for this discussion in my opinion- no room for compromise here- either you want to ban guns or you don't.

This distraction would just waste time- who is going to trade away our constitutional right for the sake of diversity? Will the tea party waste their time with this mess while other things could be accomplished with that time and energy?

I won't have anything to do with it if that's the case. I'd rather spend that time finding ways to protect our 2nd ammendment right instead of hearing arguments to get rid of that right.

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ScienceChic
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08 Nov 2011 13:57 #29 by ScienceChic

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BearMtnHIB wrote: So if I bring a bunch of gun control advocates to the tea party meeting- can we get the group to to go along with banning guns?

How helpful would that be?

There's no room for this discussion in my opinion- no room for compromise here- either you want to ban guns or you don't.

This distraction would just waste time- who is going to trade away our constitutional right for the sake of diversity? Will the tea party waste their time with this mess while other things could be accomplished with that time and energy?

I won't have anything to do with it if that's the case. I'd rather spend that time finding ways to protect our 2nd ammendment right instead of hearing arguments to get rid of that right.

And there's your Either/Or, black and white assumptions coming in again - who said anything about gun control advocates being only for banning guns? Do you pay any attention to what us liberals on this board have been saying for years? LJ owns her own guns for Christ's sake, I highly doubt she's for eliminating the 2nd Amendment. God forbid should we advocate for having regulations in place that keep them out of the hands of disturbed individuals and proven criminals, yet still be for gun ownership all at the same time - that discordance just screws with your rigid thought processes, doesn't it? And unless you start sitting down and actually listening to those about whom you are making these incorrect assumptions, and what it is that we actually want or don't want done, then you will continue to make mistakes and be wrong, and that's how ridiculous partisan fighting and crappy legislation continue onward. Ugh.

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BearMtnHIB
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08 Nov 2011 14:06 #30 by BearMtnHIB

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No there is no room for your touchy feely gun control laws. The constitution clearly states "shall not be infringed". Do you and the rest of the liberals know what "shall not" means in english?

We do not have room for you to continue to chip away at this freedom - nickle and diming your way to gun control, by whatever excuse you want to use this week, safety of the children and ALL!!

Real conservatives want to reverse course- they want to strike away at these restrictions and restore a uniquely American right, the right to bear arms.

You can't be for the 2nd- and support legislation that continues to errode this right.

This is where you are wrong. You may think all is well in your happy little mind- but you have stabbed an American right in the back- even if only unknowingly so.

And there you have it- the difference between a liberal and a conservative on this one issue. Should the tea party waste their time contemplating your wishy washy views?

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