Finally something the Republicans and Dems agree on!

02 Nov 2011 12:06 #21 by outdoor338
and reality, begins when your heart stops beating....

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02 Nov 2011 12:10 #22 by Wayne Harrison
Or, nothing happens and you're just dead. One of the million species that have inhabited this planet, only to become specs of dust.

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02 Nov 2011 12:11 #23 by The Viking

outdoor338 wrote: and reality, begins when your heart stops beating....


:yeahthat: And then they will realize the sad reality. THAT is why I feel sorry for them.

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02 Nov 2011 12:14 #24 by Kate

outdoor338 wrote: and reality, begins when your heart stops beating....


for which you have no proof.


Viking wrote: Far from a piece of crap. They just proved that this nation still stand united behind one thing. And that is God!


Again, how does this vote prove that this nation is united behind god? It's just a feel good vote by politicians to placate their religious base.

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02 Nov 2011 13:17 #25 by ScienceChic

HEARTLESS wrote: From a mathematical or statistical probability standpoint, evolution as taught, is virtually impossible.

You are wrong. I'd suggest a college course or two in evolution...and statistics...and genetics...and biochemistry...and molecular biology...and developmental biology...and biophysics.

So glad these politicians are focused on what's really important. <sarcasm font> Screw the economy, god will save us as long as we acknowledge Him (keeping in mind it wasn't even the national motto for the first 180 years of our official existence) with some signed piece of paper from a tree that He created that we killed. :woo hoo: This has to be a law that's passed that merely reaffirms a law that was already passed over 50 years ago?? What happened to "our government's getting too big", and "too much stupid legislation is being passed that intrudes on our personal lives"?

You can't legislate morality you know. http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/h ... onal-motto

The bill briefly outlines the history of government references to God, and adds in that "if religion and morality are taken out of the market-place of ideas, the very freedom on which the United States was founded cannot be secured."

Really? That's a stretch - I thought we were founded on the ideals of freedom of choice, especially in regards to religion, and freedom from persecution.

"Federal agencies and departments have been instructed that the phrase not be posted in those buildings," Forbes wrote in March. "The effect on our public schools has been chilling, as teachers and administrators do not know whether they can post our national motto on their walls."

"Chilling"? Little melodramatic there, don't'cha think? Aren't you supposed to learn about god in church, not our classrooms? Shouldn't they be seeing maps, alphabets, math problems, diagrams of cells, periodic charts, etc on the walls of their classrooms?

So Viking, how would you feel if the national motto was changed to "In Zombies We Trust"? And it was introduced by Democrats? I'm guessing you'd be screaming bloody murder that they are wasting our time and doing something that we the public don't agree with. So the only difference is that because you agree with this proposed duplicated legislation, you are all for it, despite the fact that it's pointless - it isn't going to make people more moral, isn't going to eliminate our debt, isn't going to create jobs (well, maybe it will for all those signs that now have to be created), isn't going to solve our environmental or energy problems, et cetera. It's. a. waste. of. time.

http://opinion.foxnews.mobi/quickPage.h ... pageNum=-1
FOX News - Opinion
The Motto That America Needs Right Now
Nov 01, 2011

We have trust issues in this country, but not the ones which will be debated Tuesday in Congress. While it has been understood in a variety of ways over the centuries, faith has been a crucial component of how the vast majority of Americans have understood who they are, not only as individuals, but as Americans. So the notion that "we" as Americans would use this motto, even if not all Americans do trust in God, is not only fair, it is appropriate and good. But the fact that "In God We Trust" is a beautiful motto does not mean that now is the best time to spend our energies reaffirming it, especially if doing so will likely cause an unnecessary backlash against its use itself. This is precisely the kind of legislation which fuels resistance, by many people, to the motto being used in the first place.

But the real shame in raising this issue now, is that here in the United States we already had a national motto, at least informally, before President Eisenhower signed "In God We Trust" into law in 1956. With their action today, this new initiative pushes that old motto further out of the public eye at precisely a moment when we need it most. The old motto? "E Pluribus Unum" ("from many, one").

Established by an act of Congress in 1782, the animating premise of those words has never been more important. The notion that we, as a nation, with all of the paths which brought us to these shores, and with all the different, and even conflicting, views we espouse, remain unified, is a lesson for us all.

So while Republicans will introduce the legislation supporting the use of "In God We Trust", and Democrats will rail against it, neither will do anything to address the real question we have in this country - do we trust each other to come together and fix what's broken? Those are the real trust issues we need to address in this nation, and it's high time to we start doing so. Ultimately, "In God We Trust" is a mere motto, one whose claim I support, but nonetheless, it is simply a motto. "E Pluribus Unum" is both a motto and an aspiration. One might even call it a prayer. But whatever one calls it, it calls to us to rise to a great challenge and we should demand that both we and our elected officials rise to it now.


"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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02 Nov 2011 13:44 #26 by HEARTLESS
Look up the article in timesnews.net for Wednesday November 2, 2011, the article is titled "The statistical probability of evolution is zero."
Actually published on February 19th, but put in the title under the search box.

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02 Nov 2011 16:05 #27 by HEARTLESS
A few more things about Darwinism. Why with the extensive fossil record can't we find the progression from one species to the next, hint: missing link. Since most fossils prove species extinction, not evolution, where did we come from? To study mutation on a molecular level shows reduction of genetic information, not an expansion. Other than VL, we didn't evolve from lower forms of life.

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02 Nov 2011 16:10 #28 by HEARTLESS
The enormous holes in evolutionary theory (yes, it is only theory) are vast. Because I include the word "science", doesn't make something fact.

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02 Nov 2011 17:50 #29 by The Viking
Just a thought. I wonder how many scientists will be in Heaven?

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02 Nov 2011 17:56 #30 by Reverend Revelant

The Viking wrote: Just a thought. I wonder how many scientists will be in Heaven?


That's sort of like asking how many scientists will you find in Oz... stupid.

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