Why I support a certain candidate.

08 Nov 2011 16:12 - 23 Jan 2013 05:26 #21 by LOL
Good topic and replies. :thumbsup:

SS109 wrote: Huntsman:
I like Huntsman because he has both business and the political experience of running a state. I also think by serving as ambassador in Asia, the up and coming continent, he will be more in tune with the current century.
I also believe he will be less beholden to special interests because he has already made his money.


I have heard good feedback about Huntsman too, have to study him some more.
Gingrich is a smart and experienced guy, but probably not centrist enough to win.
I'd hold my nose and vote for Romney just to get rid of Obama.
None of the other candidates interest me except Ron Paul, maybe he would make a good VP.

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08 Nov 2011 21:47 #22 by pineinthegrass

SS109 wrote:

archer wrote: Why do I support Obama in 2012? Simple, at his worst I still think he is light years better than what the Republicans are offering. I am genuinely concerned that the Tea Party extremists have hijacked the GOP and any Republican president will cater to them. I at least know with Obama that he will veto anything that puts Medicare or SS in jeopardy, or tries to repeal Obamacare, or gives huge breaks to the wealthy and corps at the expense of our middle class.

Simple...Obama is the only one running who can keep the Tea Party from running amok.


Check the Denver Post today, Obama and his people are setting up a new taxing plan for Social Security and other entitlements that will hit the poor much harder than the rich.
Guess who was the first President to tax Social Security benefits? Clinton. Sometimes you have to get past what the press tells you and actually look at what is happening.


Clinton wasn't the first President to tax Social Security benefits. I think you've heard too much right wing talk radio, because it's just not true (and I've heard Rush claim that in the past too).

Under Reagan, Social Security benefits were taxed for the first time up to 50%. Under Clinton, it was raised up to 85%. Reagan started it, if you want to blame a President.

http://www.ssa.gov/history/InternetMyths2.html

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09 Nov 2011 05:34 #23 by LOL
Taxing 50% of SS bennies is probably reasonable since your employer paid 1/2. (Unless you are self employed)

I don't know the logic behind the 85%, seems like double taxing.

So back on topic,

Why isn't Huntsman more popular in the polls? Seems like alot of people have a positive view of him?

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09 Nov 2011 10:16 #24 by pineinthegrass
I thought Huntsman came off well in the first debate but has been a nonfactor since. And he told couple of dumb jokes.

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09 Nov 2011 11:00 #25 by The Viking

pineinthegrass wrote: I thought Huntsman came off well in the first debate but has been a nonfactor since. And he told couple of dumb jokes.


Yes and he rarely breaks 1% in any poll. He is a total non factor.

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09 Nov 2011 11:23 #26 by ScienceChic

Joe wrote: So back on topic,

Why isn't Huntsman more popular in the polls? Seems like alot of people have a positive view of him?

Because he's too moderate and conservatives see that as a weakness, even though us independents/liberals would be willing to vote for him. Also, he's done a crappy job of getting himself out there.

Here's his website
His Facebook page
His Twitter page

According to the NY Times, Huntsman is the most electable, i.e. has the best chance of defeating Obama.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011 ... f=magazine
What Are the Chances for Republicans?
How would the strength of the economy next year affect each candidate’s chances of defeating President Barack Obama? Nate Silver models the likelihood of each candidate winning the popular vote based on 2012 G.D.P. growth, President Obama’s current approval rating and the ideology of the candidate. Use the slider to see how changes in G.D.P. affect the model.

http://theweek.com/bullpen/column/21995 ... other-look
5 reasons the GOP should give Jon Huntsman another look
No one really thinks the moderate former Utah governor has a shot — but there's plenty of evidence that he deserves one
posted on October 6, 2011

http://articles.businessinsider.com/201 ... orporation
What Ever Happened To Jon Huntsman?
Frank Newport|October 27, 2011

One of the interesting outcomes of this year’s Republican election process has been the fate of Jon Huntsman. Huntsman, as you may know, is on paper a potentially appealing presidential candidate. He is the former governor of Utah, the former ambassador to China (albeit an ambassador appointed by a Democratic president), speaks fluent Chinese, served in the administration of both Presidents Bush, has at least some business experience as part of his family’s Huntsman Corporation, and has been actively campaigning for the nomination all year. At one point he was considered by at least to some observers to have a real shot at the nomination.

Yet his campaign has gone nowhere.

Let’s look at where this comes from. Just 50% of Republicans nationally recognize Huntsman. This is the lowest recognition value of any of the eight candidates we are tracking. Among those Republicans who know Huntsman, 46% have a generally favorable opinion of him, while 36% have a generally unfavorable opinion (the rest don’t have an opinion, even though they said they recognized him). Basically, Huntsman has not been able to penetrate the consciousness of rank-and-file Republicans around the country. Even after participating in most debates this year, he is unknown to half of all Republicans. And among those who do know him, he has a very dull image, with over a third saying they view him unfavorably, and with very few willing to say their opinion is strongly favorable.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... idate.html
Jon Huntsman, Tea Party Darling?
With Herman Cain flailing and Rick Perry failing, the Tea Party is looking for a new anti-Romney candidate. Could it be Jon Huntsman? McKay Coppins asks the movement’s leaders.
Nov 9, 2011 4:45 AM EST

Erickson, a CNN contributor who runs the influential right-wing blog RedState.com, had come to a grim epiphany. If someone new didn’t step up soon, Mitt Romney was going to win the nomination—and kill American conservatism in the process.

“My God,” he told his friends. “I think I might have to eat my ‘never ever vote for Jon Huntsman’ post.” They laughed, but Erickson tells The Daily Beast, “they’d come to the exact same conclusion.” The barroom bull session was the genesis of a pair of RedState posts on Tuesday that argued it might be time for Tea Partiers to give Huntsman a second look. Those searching for a viable anti-Romney candidate are running out of options, he argued: Michele Bachmann flamed out long ago, Rick Perry’s dismal debate performances have all but sunk his campaign, and by the time Cain emerges from this mess of scandals, he’ll likely be too battered to maintain frontrunner status.

So could Huntsman be the Tea Party’s savior?

“If Jon Huntsman shakes up his campaign, gets rid of John Weaver, and really begins an aggressive push on his economic agenda, which is actually the most free-market of any of the plans out there, including Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 plan,” says Erickson, “I think a lot of conservatives would have to give a second look to this guy.” “Frankly,” he continues, “conservatives didn’t really look at him the first time. They said, ‘The media likes him too much and he sounds like a liberal, so I don’t want to have anything to do with him.’”

“Lots of people in the race talk the conservative talk, but Jon Huntsman has a record to back it up,” campaign spokesman Tim Miller tells The Daily Beast. “He balanced the budget, tripled the state’s rainy-day fund, and signed a flat tax. Unlike Mitt Romney, who has taken whatever position is politically convenient, Jon Huntsman is someone all voters—including Tea Party members—can trust.”


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09 Nov 2011 11:28 #27 by Wayne Harrison
It's sad that nice guys finish last. I can identify with Huntsman and would vote for him over Obama.

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09 Nov 2011 18:24 #28 by ScienceChic
I would consider it as well, if I could get better clarification on his energy policies. He claims that he believes the science of global warming, but his web page talks all about continuing fossil fuel growth. Not just use, but growth; the two are incongruent. I wish he would get better coverage and people would start seriously considering him though. He's got the track record and the credentials.

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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