House to consider national concealed carry gun bill Tuesday

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It is important to note that, despite what a handful of self-proclaimed "pro-gun" activists claim, H.R. 822 would not create a federal registration or licensing system, nor would it establish a minimum federal standard for a carry permit. Rather, it would require the states to recognize each others' carry permits, just as they recognize driver's licenses and carry permits held by armored car guards. Unfortunately, these self-proclaimed "gun rights" supporters, who have no active lobbying presence in Congress or any legislature, have an agenda that has very little to do with promoting the interests of gun owners.

It would be nice to carry when I am in Las Vegas. Currently Nevada doesn't recognize Colorado CHL's.

Remember Herman Cain doesn't beleive in this. He thinks it should be up to each individual state. Is that what the 2nd amendment says?

Martin Ent Inc wrote: Read the Bill,,,

That was helpful. I would, but this morning I'm working on the cell phone. And, since I'm not all that familiar with what the current laws are regarding concealed carry how would I know what was changed? I hoped someone might be able to answer the question. We transport our gun between the different states, but do not have a CCW.

H.R. 822 doesn't require -- or even authorize -- any such action by any federal agency. In fact, since it would amend the Gun Control Act, it would fall under a limitation within that law that authorizes "only such rules and regulations as are necessary to carry out" the GCA's provisions. No federal rules or regulations would be needed to implement H.R. 822, which simply overrides certain state laws.

Myth: H.R. 822 would destroy permitless carry systems such as those in Arizona, Alaska, Vermont and Wyoming.

H.R. 822 would have absolutely no effect on how the permitless carry states' laws work within those states. For residents of Arizona, Alaska and Wyoming, where permits are not required but remain available under state law, H.R. 822 would make those permits valid in all states that issue permits to their own residents. Residents of Vermont, where no permits are issued or required, could obtain nonresident permits from other states to enjoy the benefits of H.R. 822.

Talk about bad timing, a California State Patrol officer was shot by a legal CCW holder today.

FredHayek wrote: Talk about bad timing, a California State Patrol officer was shot by a legal CCW holder today.

It was Sunday.
Further stories look as if he wanted suicide by cop, but not totally confirmed.

archer wrote: Wouldn't this be a case where the federal government is taking away the state's rights to determine who is allowed to conceal carry in their state?

Does the federal govt require that all states must honor another states drivers license, or is that an agreement among the states.

The other question I have is if the feds can mandate this...why not healthcare? Or do you think some states will take the feds to court too over this?

If what Martin posted is part of the bill, then what does the bill change?

To my mind it goes more towards implementing Article IV, Section 2 - the privileges and immunities clause. If the State in which I am a citizen issues me a CCW permit, that is not lost when I travel to another state simply because I am not a citizen of that State - I retain the privileges and immunities as a citizen of my State regardless of where I travel among the States which belong to the same union.

That is not at all the same as requiring you to participate in commerce of the general government's choosing. If they can require you to participate in the commerce of purchasing health insurance, what commerce lies beyond their power to compel your participation in? Can they require you to purchase and carry a firearm? Can they require you to purchase a home? Can they compel your purchase of a 401K or IRA? How about disability insurance or life insurance or flood insurance? Perhaps they would then also be able to compel you to purchase insurance to cover your credit card debts in case you lose your job or decide not to pay the bill? I've saved the best for last; why wouldn't they then also be able to compel you to purchase Treasury Bonds to finance the $1.5 Trillion worth of annual spending which is not currently covered by the revenue they derive from the existing taxes that are levied and collected?

Under the proposed legislation, if I were a CCW permit holder in Colorado I would be able to carry my arms concealed in any State, but that would not shield me from the laws of another state regarding where a concealed weapon was allowed to be carried by the permit holders of that State. If, as an example, the laws of California said that their CCW holders were not allowed to carry their arms into public restaurants, then that same restriction would apply to me when I traveled to California but California would have to honor the permit that another State issued to one of its citizens as equally as they would one they issued to one of their citizens.

What would Thomas Jefferson concealed carry?