Ex-Marine Tosses ‘Occupy’ Heckler Out on his butt!

neptunechimney wrote:

Whatevergreen wrote: [ He is a big boy and really does not need you to speak on his behalf.

You on the other hand might want to let an adult proof read yours.

rofllol That was weak. Bite me smokey.

outdoor338 wrote: yes whatevergreen, I agree with you!

That is interesting that you support the the squelching of free speech. Let's see if you have the same opinion when the first Tea Partier gets tossed out on their butt at another speaking event and breaks a hip. You will cry foul faster than anyone els I am sure.

outdoor338 wrote: now, my question to you is a simple yes or no...do you think the unions should be funding part of OWS?

nice deflection :thumbsup:
Which part do you think they are funding? I see stories of support but that could mean a lot of things. From sending members to beef up the numbers, to giving donations to the folks that are really on the ball and not just f**king it up for the others. They could use funds to bring in food, water, tarps, blankets. If that is the kind of funding you are talking about, fine. If you think that the unions are funding the violent protesters with rocks and molatov cocktails I would say you are wrong and would ask for some source on that. If indeed they are funding violence then it is wrong.

Freedom of speech carries with it the responsibility to know when to shut up. People shouting out and trying to yell over others in a public forum have forgotten that fact. It's basic respect for others in society - you don't just start spouting off your beliefs until it's your turn to speak.

Personally, I wish they'd toss all the loudmouths out on their asses with a nice boot on the way. It might return a little civility to public meetings that's been eroding quickily.

Whatevergreen wrote: 4. So I will ask you this Outdoor: The next time a Tea Party member (or anyone for that matter) comes into a public venue (be it a dedication, swearing in ceremony, whaterver) is disruptive and shouts at or over the speaker, is it OK to treat them just like this fellow in Queens was treated?

It is a simple yes or no answer.

I know you didn't ask me, but it's my turn to talk so I'll exercise my freedom of speech and say "Not only yes, but F$%^ YES!"

Whatevergreen wrote: That is interesting that you support the the squelching of free speech. Let's see if you have the same opinion when the first Tea Partier gets tossed out on their butt at another speaking event and breaks a hip. You will cry foul faster than anyone els I am sure.

It's amazing to me that the folks who scream about freedom of speech so much really have no clue what that constitutional right actually encompasses? Freedom of speech is unlimited. Consequences of that speech and they way it is delivered has ramifications as simple as disagreement up to criminal prosecution. " In practice, the right to freedom of speech is not absolute in any country and the right is commonly subject to limitations, such as on libel, slander, obscenity, incitement to commit a crime, etc. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech ) . Add to that short "According to the Freedom Forum Organization, legal systems, and society at large, recognize limits on the freedom of speech, particularly when freedom of speech conflicts with other values or rights.[39] Limitations to freedom of speech may follow the "harm principle" or the "offense principle", for example in the case of pornography or hate speech. Limitations to freedom of speech may occur through legal sanction or social disapprobation, or both.[40]"

I don't support the "squelching of free speech". You are free to say almost anything you want. And society is free to arrest you for lawlessly intruding on private property, private events, public places with codes and restrictions and government installations. You have a freedom to speak, not to break the law. That's not my opinion, that's fact, that's history, that's numerous court decisions. Just because you don't like it, or don't understand the facts, doesn't suddenly make them vanish.

Do a little research next time before you shoot your mouth off and add to the stuck on stupid.

Cities face Occupy movement's 'mass day'

New York (CNN) -- In the first major show of strength since police evicted Occupy Wall Street demonstrators encamped at Zuccotti Park, protesters on Thursday massed by the hundreds at their former home base, while others marched toward the New York Stock Exchange. Just hours after demonstrations began, protesters and police clashed on a street in Lower Manhattan, drawing four ambulances and a separate emergency vehicle in response to the incident.

Police say seven officers have been injured.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/17/us/new-yo ... ?hpt=hp_t2

I don't feel sorry for the police officers. It serves them right for getting in the way of the free speech of the protesters.

The more this thread goes on the more you all sound like a bunch of hypocrites. For all you smoking the Liberal/Conservative pipes, enough with the double standards.

If you want examples, just read past posts.

Just about the worst thing I have read on this board (an there are a lot of them):

"You are free to say almost anything you want. And society is free to arrest you for lawlessly intruding on private property, private events, public places with codes and restrictions and government installations. You have a freedom to speak, not to break the law." by Wayne-O, I think, hard to tell when people keep hiding and changing names.

by this thinking you have absolute freedom no matter how many laws or restrictions we have and the statement that you have the "freedom to speak, not break the law" come on? The two are very often in conflict as you yourself just explained. Just make a rule and the consequences of the punishment be damned, hey lets lock up people for stealing a sandwich, then we will all be better off.

Anyone want to talk more about how it is right to pepper spray my grandmother and how that is more important than talking about how we failed as a society, which is why they sprayed her, she was talking about it. I picture most of you sending black folks to the back of the bus if you were youthful 60 years ago....and then justifying it. Those that say go ahead and spray her, she broke the law and deserves it (which by the way can only be determined in court), would be the first to start stoking their guns if it was their mom, even if she was protesting the constitution. You don't freaking pepper spray 80 year olds and to be honest with you, you should not pepper spray anyone who is not threatening your life. Slowing your commute should never result in violent backlashes and those that feel it should are part of the problem.

An my understanding from the numerous fine Marines that I have employed is that an Ex-Marine is one that got kicked out, dishonorably, thus no longer has bragging rights.

I think OWS will do more damage than good now that they are getting stale in the media, that same staleness is why the mayors and the cops feel like they can abuse these folks, they are not popular like 3 weeks ago. Their flavor is right, their methods are useless and their cause is scary. But I do not put those that pepper spray old women or those that condone it in the good people group.

I bet if you give 10 people the chance to talk to the old lady for 5 minutes and then permission do anything they want to the cop that sprayed her, that the cop would be gonzo 9/10 times, even some of the thugs on this site.

posteryoyo wrote: The more this thread goes on the more you all sound like a bunch of hypocrites. For all you smoking the Liberal/Conservative pipes, enough with the double standards.

If you want examples, just read past posts.

Just about the worst thing I have read on this board (an there are a lot of them):

"You are free to say almost anything you want. And society is free to arrest you for lawlessly intruding on private property, private events, public places with codes and restrictions and government installations. You have a freedom to speak, not to break the law." by Wayne-O, I think, hard to tell when people keep hiding and changing names.

by this thinking you have absolute freedom no matter how many laws or restrictions we have and the statement that you have the "freedom to speak, not break the law" come on? The two are very often in conflict as you yourself just explained. Just make a rule and the consequences of the punishment be damned, hey lets lock up people for stealing a sandwich, then we will all be better off.

Anyone want to talk more about how it is right to pepper spray my grandmother and how that is more important than talking about how we failed as a society, which is why they sprayed her, she was talking about it. I picture most of you sending black folks to the back of the bus if you were youthful 60 years ago....and then justifying it. Those that say go ahead and spray her, she broke the law and deserves it (which by the way can only be determined in court), would be the first to start stoking their guns if it was their mom, even if she was protesting the constitution. You don't freaking pepper spray 80 year olds and to be honest with you, you should not pepper spray anyone who is not threatening your life. Slowing your commute should never result in violent backlashes and those that feel it should are part of the problem.

An my understanding from the numerous fine Marines that I have employed is that an Ex-Marine is one that got kicked out, dishonorably, thus no longer has bragging rights.

I think OWS will do more damage than good now that they are getting stale in the media, that same staleness is why the mayors and the cops feel like they can abuse these folks, they are not popular like 3 weeks ago. Their flavor is right, their methods are useless and their cause is scary. But I do not put those that pepper spray old women or those that condone it in the good people group.

I bet if you give 10 people the chance to talk to the old lady for 5 minutes and then permission do anything they want to the cop that sprayed her, that the cop would be gonzo 9/10 times, even some of the thugs on this site.

Thanks goodness we don't let you decide who has to obey the laws and who gets away with breaking the law. I don't give a damn if grandma got body slammed to the ground and handcuffed... if she is out in that crowd and is part of breaking the law, then she is as susceptible as anyone else to getting roughed up and possibly arrested. When you have a mob trying to rule the law, the whole mob is responsible and the police are not going to put themselves or anyone else in danger by trying to sort it out at the moment. I'd like to see your little-candy-rear standing in front of an angry mob and headed for you and see how you "try to get along" if you're backside is on the line.

They are getting stale in the media because they STINK (a little joke). No, they are getting stale because they have become a mob made up of various levels of participants, including murderers, rapists, drug addicts and people with bad potty training. Since the Occupy movement doesn't seem to want to take a stand against these types of people that they claim has "infiltrated" the movement, then the authorities don't have time to either.

And you need to self-educate a bit on the concept of freedom of speech... which is not an unlimited right. Because from your babbling above, it's evident that you are clueless about the concept, the history and the many court rulings that have set the standards for what, when and where you are afforded that freedom. Just because you feel some way has nothing to do with reality.

I suppose you would promote clubbing grandmas that are pulled over for driving too slow and hindering traffic...

towermonkey wrote: I suppose you would promote clubbing grandmas that are pulled over for driving too slow and hindering traffic...

Has nothing to do with the subject. Stupid analogy. We are talking about mob lawlessness, not traffic violations. But good try. You'll get some of the liberals sobbing and drumming and emoting over that silly example.