Armed illegals stalked Border Patrol

Five illegal immigrants armed with at least two AK-47 semi-automatic assault rifles were hunting for U.S. Border Patrol agents near a desert watering hole known as Mesquite Seep just north of the Arizona-Mexico border when a firefight erupted and one U.S. agent was killed, records show.
Using thermal binoculars, one of the agents determined that at least two of the Mexicans were carrying rifles, but according to an affidavit in the case by FBI agent Scott Hunter, when the Mexicans did not drop their weapons as ordered, two agents used their shotguns to fire “less than lethal” beanbags at them.

At least one of the Mexicans opened fire and, according to the affidavit, Terry, a 40-year-old former U.S. Marine, was shot in the back. A Border Patrol shooting-incident report said that Terry called out, “I’m hit,” and then fell to the ground, a bullet having pierced his aorta. “I can’t feel my legs,” Terry told one of the agents who cradled him. “I think I’m paralyzed.”

Bleeding profusely, he died at the scene
Two AK-47 assault rifles found at the scene came from the failed Fast and Furious operation.

The indictment also noted that Osorio-Arellanes had been convicted in Phoenix in 2006 of felony aggravated assault, had been detained twice in 2010 as an illegal immigrant, and had been returned to Mexico repeatedly.

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used their shotguns to fire “less than lethal” beanbags

WTF bean bags against AK-47s. Holder ought to be in jail and Napolitano and her boss Obama need to be fired. They seem to care more about their agenda than they do about America and our Constitution.

Do I need to repeat the part about the good guys with bean bags against Holder supplied bad guys with assult rifles?

I saw that story, screw holder, should have every right to protect yourself. Bang, bang, bang...drop them in their tracks..anyone pointing an AK at me with a mask on, is history.

I'm curious ...do you think that if there had been no Fast and Furious those illegals would have been out there without weapons?

Gun running is big business, when drugs are involved..anything goes.

archer wrote: I'm curious ...do you think that if there had been no Fast and Furious those illegals would have been out there without weapons?

Archer damn good question, but here is my opinion on this, Back around march 2009 Sec of State Clinton made a statement "America's appetite for drugs and its inability to stop arms crossing the border were helping fuel the violence." Then we learn that a program sponsored by the United States Government actually puts guns in the hands of the cartels. Then the guns that were found after a Border Patrol agent was killed was one of the many fast and furious guns that made it into cartels hands. So our own government is responsible for the killing of that agent far as I am concerned. Now do I think they would have still be able to get guns. Yes. but maybe(and we will never know) it might have been harder for them to do it. Now we have Holder telling us he knew nothing of it, yet, he recieved information on the program, long before this year talking about it.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/h ... hjpuYuUvXJ

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7963292.stm

archer wrote: I'm curious ...do you think that if there had been no Fast and Furious those illegals would have been out there without weapons?

That is not even the real issue to speculate whether or not there would have been weapons. Fast and furious simply facilitates the matter and there is no way to justify it.

When your are talking about the Mexican drug cartels and the amounts of liquid cash they command it's not a matter of almost anything being too expensive, they have enough liquid cash to get pretty much anything they want. Had the US not run the Fast and Furious operation I'm willing to bet that their would still be an equal amount of weapons in the hands of bad guys, there are plenty of governments, criminal organizations, and individuals that sell weapons to whoever has the cash without any concern for what the weapons will be used for.

Holder's policy of responding to individuals armed with deadly weapons with only non-lethal weapons is ludicrous! I would expect any boarder agent to respond in kind to that sort of threat and hopefully be a better marksman than the bad guys. It would be nice to have the luxury of time and knowledge of enemy personnel in a tactical situation but that is rarely how those kinds of situations unfold. More often parties happen upon each other and it's a matter of who gets the most accurate rounds off first, the better marksman with a quicker draw wins the battle.

Sure it would be a great intelligence coup to capture these individuals and grill them for what they know; my guess is that the people in the field have simple instructions - shoot US boarder agents if a batch of drugs, illegals, or any other contraband the cartels are trying to pass through the boarder gets interfered with by US boarder patrol personnel. Using non-lethal weapons in the hope of scoring that little intel seems like a fool's errand to me and it already cost at least one US boarder agent his life.

No other country approaches its boarders with such benign neglect. Simple stupidity handcuffing the people you ask to protect your well being. Alas, federal employees and military personnel are mere pawns that can be freely expended at the hands of political leader wonders. Yes, one wonders what the hell they are doing and whether they have an once of integrity or compassion.

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archer wrote: I'm curious ...do you think that if there had been no Fast and Furious those illegals would have been out there without weapons?

If you had read the story you would have found the answer to your question.

Shawn P. Moran, vice president of the National Border Patrol Council, which represents all 17,000 nonsupervisory agents, said it is rare for illegal immigrants or drug smugglers to engage agents in the desert, saying they usually “drop their loads and take off south.”