Senate Moves To Allow Military To Arrest Americans

The Senate is set to vote on a bill today that would define the whole of the United States as a “battlefield” and allow the U.S. Military to arrest American citizens in their own back yard without charge or trial.

“The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this president—and every future president — the power to order the military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in the world. The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any battlefield, even within the United States itself,” writes Chris Anders of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office.

http://conservativebyte.com/2011/11/sen ... -or-trial/

Oh, brother...anything in the name of fighting terrorism, eh? So who are the terrorists?

cydl wrote: Oh, brother...anything in the name of fighting terrorism, eh? So who are the terrorists?

OWS, maybe?

Getting sort of like McCarthyism, the whitehouse has a website so you can email about your reports of people, neighbors etc.
So why not have the military do your dirty work.

Keep us posted and I found several articles (S. 1867) that seem to minimize the impact and voting outcome?
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/commen ... bsections/

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I called both Bennetts and Udalls offices this morning regarding this bill, SB 1867.
Bennetts office has no official comment or stance.
Udall supports the bill but opposes the section regarding detainment and negation of "Posse Cometius". He allegedly has filed an opposition to this section.

Quoted:
(2) COVERED PERSONS- the requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is determined--

A-to be a member of or part of Al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of Al-Qaeda and:
B-to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.

B-Applicability to United States Citizens and lawful Resident Aliens-
(1) United States Citizens- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

Sec. 1031 part b says "COVERED PERSONS.—A covered person under this section is any person as follows:
(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks.
(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.

Sec. 1032 part b says "UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States."

SO, here's what the bill itself says:

Page 359
"Subtitle D—Detainee Matters
4 SEC. 1031. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED
5 FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN
6 COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AU
7THORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE.
8 (a) IN GENERAL.—Congress affirms that the author
9ity of the President to use all necessary and appropriate
10 force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military
11 Force (Public Law 107–40) includes the authority for the
12 Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered per
13sons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition
14 under the law of war.
15 (b) COVERED PERSONS.—A covered person under
16 this section is any person as follows:
17 (1) A person who planned, authorized, com18
mitted, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred
19 on September 11, 2001, or harbored those respon
20sible for those attacks.
21 (2) A person who was a part of or substantially
22 supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces
23 that are engaged in hostilities against the United
24 States or its coalition partners, including any person
25 who has committed a belligerent act or has directly
Page 360
1 supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy
2 forces.

Page 361
3 SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY.
4 (a) CUSTODY PENDING DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF
5 WAR.—
6 (1) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in para
7graph (4), the Armed Forces of the United States
8 shall hold a person described in paragraph (2) who
9 is captured in the course of hostilities authorized by
10 the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public
11 Law 107–40) in military custody pending disposition
12 under the law of war.
13 (2) COVERED PERSONS.—The requirement in
14 paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose de
15tention is authorized under section 1031 who is de
16termined—
17 (A) to be a member of, or part of, al-
18 Qaeda or an associated force that acts in co
19ordination with or pursuant to the direction of
20 al-Qaeda; and
21 ( to have participated in the course of
22 planning or carrying out an attack or attempted
23 attack against the United States or its coalition
24 partners.

Page 362
1 (3) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR.—For
2 purposes of this subsection, the disposition of a per
3son under the law of war has the meaning given in
4 section 1031(c), except that no transfer otherwise
5 described in paragraph (4) of that section shall be
6 made unless consistent with the requirements of sec
7tion 1033.
8 (4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY.—The
9 Secretary of Defense may, in consultation with the
10 Secretary of State and the Director of National In
11telligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if
12 the Secretary submits to Congress a certification in
13 writing that such a waiver is in the national security
14 interests of the United States.
15 (b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS
16 AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—
17 (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The require
18ment to detain a person in military custody under
19 this section does not extend to citizens of the United
20 States.
21 (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—The require
22ment to detain a person in military custody under
23 this section does not extend to a lawful resident
24 alien of the United States on the basis of conduct
25 taking place within the United States, except to the

Page 363
1 extent permitted by the Constitution of the United
2 States.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... uI9Bwr8sMA

The bill was drafted in secret by Senators Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.), before being passed in a closed-door committee meeting without any kind of hearing. The language appears in sections 1031 and 1032 of the NDAA bill.

For reference, from the National Defense Authorization Act. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:S.1867:



Post edited to remove superfluous material.

Think we are getting Superfluous here with our posts.