Texas official will remove nativity scene ‘when hell freezes

The Viking wrote:

AspenValley wrote:

The Viking wrote:

AspenValley wrote: Right. Which means you can put up a Christmas nativity scene on your own front lawn and the government can't tell you you can't, but the government can't put one up on public property.

Please post where it says that in the Constitution.

Does there have to be specific wording covering every conceivable example of what might be seen as the government either prohibiting free exercise of religion or promoting a state religion before you can understand that the Constitution is simply stating the government has no business EITHER interfering with your private practice of religion OR publically promoting a specific religion itself?

So there isn't anything. Now that we cleared that up. If we have government officials who want to put up Chritmas decorations in the government office that they oversee, then go for it! I am so tired of all you libs trying to continually control other peoples lives if they don't believe exactly like you do.

Just as I am tired of ignoramuses who can't or won't understand that this country does not have Christianity as its official religion and allowing the goverment of even Podunk, TX to shove it in our face as though it was is unconstitutional.

No one is telling YOU how to live your life, Viking. Put up all the creches you want on your own private property. But if you want to put it up on government property, be prepared for people of other faiths to want to put up their symbols, too, or face the fact that you are ILLEGALLY and UNCONSTITUTIONALLY (what part of ILLEGAL don't you get?) promoting religion. It's not a matter of what I believe, it's a matter of what the FOUNDERS believed. And please, don't get me started on how THAT history has been jacked with and start telling me they were all good Christians who MEANT to form a Christian country. Unless you want to prove what I said in the other thread about 80% of posters here being a little shaky on the history of this country

AspenValley wrote:

The Viking wrote:

AspenValley wrote:

The Viking wrote:

AspenValley wrote: Right. Which means you can put up a Christmas nativity scene on your own front lawn and the government can't tell you you can't, but the government can't put one up on public property.

Please post where it says that in the Constitution.

Does there have to be specific wording covering every conceivable example of what might be seen as the government either prohibiting free exercise of religion or promoting a state religion before you can understand that the Constitution is simply stating the government has no business EITHER interfering with your private practice of religion OR publically promoting a specific religion itself?

So there isn't anything. Now that we cleared that up. If we have government officials who want to put up Chritmas decorations in the government office that they oversee, then go for it! I am so tired of all you libs trying to continually control other peoples lives if they don't believe exactly like you do.

Just as I am tired of ignoramuses who can't or won't understand that this country does not have Christianity as its official religion and allowing the goverment of even Podunk, TX to shove it in our face as though it was is unconstitutional.

No one is telling YOU how to live your life, Viking. Put up all the creches you want on your own private property. But if you want to put it up on government property, be prepared for people of other faiths to want to put up their symbols, too, or face the fact that you are ILLEGALLY and UNCONSTITUTIONALLY (what part of ILLEGAL don't you get?) promoting religion. It's not a matter of what I believe, it's a matter of what the FOUNDERS believed. And please, don't get me started on how THAT history has been jacked with and start telling me they were all good Christians who MEANT to form a Christian country. Unless you want to prove what I said in the other thread about 80% of posters here being a little shaky on the history of this country

Fine let them put up symbols of their faiths on their holidays. I will NEVER try and dictate what people can't do with their beliefs. big difference between Libs and Conservatives. Libs want to try and always control other people's lives because they are obviously not happy with their own. So tell me. How does seeing a nativity scene hurt you? Emotional pain? Trauma? Guilt? Tell me why you feel the need to control others.

I don't care what other people put up in government offices. I don't think an upside down cross on Easter is right or a picture of Satan on Christmas, just like it wouldn't be right to put up divorce signs in the middle of a wedding ceremony. That is THEIR celebration. Let them do what they want. Have your own day to worship satan or Bhudda if you like. I wouldn't stop you. I believe opposite of most liberals. I believe in freedom of religion like the Constitution says.

The Viking wrote:

AspenValley wrote:

The Viking wrote:

AspenValley wrote:

The Viking wrote:

AspenValley wrote: Right. Which means you can put up a Christmas nativity scene on your own front lawn and the government can't tell you you can't, but the government can't put one up on public property.

Please post where it says that in the Constitution.

Does there have to be specific wording covering every conceivable example of what might be seen as the government either prohibiting free exercise of religion or promoting a state religion before you can understand that the Constitution is simply stating the government has no business EITHER interfering with your private practice of religion OR publically promoting a specific religion itself?

So there isn't anything. Now that we cleared that up. If we have government officials who want to put up Chritmas decorations in the government office that they oversee, then go for it! I am so tired of all you libs trying to continually control other peoples lives if they don't believe exactly like you do.

Just as I am tired of ignoramuses who can't or won't understand that this country does not have Christianity as its official religion and allowing the goverment of even Podunk, TX to shove it in our face as though it was is unconstitutional.

No one is telling YOU how to live your life, Viking. Put up all the creches you want on your own private property. But if you want to put it up on government property, be prepared for people of other faiths to want to put up their symbols, too, or face the fact that you are ILLEGALLY and UNCONSTITUTIONALLY (what part of ILLEGAL don't you get?) promoting religion. It's not a matter of what I believe, it's a matter of what the FOUNDERS believed. And please, don't get me started on how THAT history has been jacked with and start telling me they were all good Christians who MEANT to form a Christian country. Unless you want to prove what I said in the other thread about 80% of posters here being a little shaky on the history of this country

Fine let them put up symbols of their faiths on their holidays. I will NEVER try and dictate what people can't do with their beliefs. big difference between Libs and Conservatives. Libs want to try and always control other people's lives because they are obviously not happy with their own. So tell me. How does seeing a nativity scene hurt you? Emotional pain? Trauma? Guilt? Tell me why you feel the need to control others.

Did you read the article? The "hero" of it refused to put up anyone elses stuff but also refused to take down the Christmas stuff. That's illegal.

I don't care either (and I posted as much on another thread a few days ago) if someone puts up a creche on public land so long as they don't prohibit other displays. So you can spare us the "libs want to control others, they are so unhappy with their lives" BS.

And you seem to have made the assumption that I don't like seeing a nativity scene. On the contrary, I love them. I just don't like certain people using them as a weapon to try to either discriminate against others or tell people of different beliefs to "go to hell".

Tell me, Viking, do YOU think that is an appropriate use of a sacred symbol?

We have a nativity scene in our home. It's fun.

If you're really serious about faith, though:

a) you wouldn't celebrate Christmas in December (it's more likely in September - around the Temple Feast)
b) You wouldn't have a nativity scene, since there's very little evidence to suggest that a Bethlehem manager looks anything like what Europeans have decided it must look like.

The nativity scene is not historically valid - it's a romantic fabrication - my guess is from Germany.
(I don't have the time or energy to trace its origins)

AspenValley wrote:

The Viking wrote:

AspenValley wrote:

The Viking wrote:

AspenValley wrote:

The Viking wrote:

AspenValley wrote: Right. Which means you can put up a Christmas nativity scene on your own front lawn and the government can't tell you you can't, but the government can't put one up on public property.

Please post where it says that in the Constitution.

Does there have to be specific wording covering every conceivable example of what might be seen as the government either prohibiting free exercise of religion or promoting a state religion before you can understand that the Constitution is simply stating the government has no business EITHER interfering with your private practice of religion OR publically promoting a specific religion itself?

So there isn't anything. Now that we cleared that up. If we have government officials who want to put up Chritmas decorations in the government office that they oversee, then go for it! I am so tired of all you libs trying to continually control other peoples lives if they don't believe exactly like you do.

Just as I am tired of ignoramuses who can't or won't understand that this country does not have Christianity as its official religion and allowing the goverment of even Podunk, TX to shove it in our face as though it was is unconstitutional.

No one is telling YOU how to live your life, Viking. Put up all the creches you want on your own private property. But if you want to put it up on government property, be prepared for people of other faiths to want to put up their symbols, too, or face the fact that you are ILLEGALLY and UNCONSTITUTIONALLY (what part of ILLEGAL don't you get?) promoting religion. It's not a matter of what I believe, it's a matter of what the FOUNDERS believed. And please, don't get me started on how THAT history has been jacked with and start telling me they were all good Christians who MEANT to form a Christian country. Unless you want to prove what I said in the other thread about 80% of posters here being a little shaky on the history of this country

Fine let them put up symbols of their faiths on their holidays. I will NEVER try and dictate what people can't do with their beliefs. big difference between Libs and Conservatives. Libs want to try and always control other people's lives because they are obviously not happy with their own. So tell me. How does seeing a nativity scene hurt you? Emotional pain? Trauma? Guilt? Tell me why you feel the need to control others.

Did you read the article? The "hero" of it refused to put up anyone elses stuff but also refused to take down the Christmas stuff. That's illegal.

I don't care either (and I posted as much on another thread a few days ago) if someone puts up a creche on public land so long as they don't prohibit other displays. So you can spare us the "libs want to control others, they are so unhappy with their lives" BS.

And you seem to have made the assumption that I don't like seeing a nativity scene. On the contrary, I love them. I just don't like certain people using them as a weapon to try to either discriminate against others or tell people of different beliefs to "go to hell".

Tell me, Viking, do YOU think that is an appropriate use of a sacred symbol?

You mean this crap???

The banner reads: “At this season of the Winter Solstice, let reason prevail. There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is but myth & superstition that hardens hearts & enslaves minds.”

You don't put that up on a holiday that celebrates the opposite of it. Like I said, how would you like if you were getting married and a group who didn't believe in marriage wanted to put a banner up saying marriage is evil and will fail. over 50% fail so this marriage is most likely to fail. Or on MLK day how about they make a KKK parade mixed right in with the MLK celebration and parades? That is the stupidest ignorant thing I have ever seen. If they don't believe in it, then put it up another time. Not at Christmas. Get your own f'n holiday! He has every right to not allow something that stands for the total opposite of the holiday. I really hope you were kidding with your post here.

bailey bud wrote: We have a nativity scene in our home. It's fun.

If you're really serious about faith, though:

a) you wouldn't celebrate Christmas in December (it's more likely in September - around the Temple Feast)
b) You wouldn't have a nativity scene, since there's very little evidence to suggest that a Bethlehem manager looks anything like what Europeans have decided it must look like.

The nativity scene is not historically valid - it's a romantic fabrication - my guess is from Germany.
(I don't have the time or energy to trace its origins)

We cover all of that once a year...right about this time... I guess it has to be repeated every year for those who can't get past the "War on Christmas", (and the fact that the "Christmas" they're having a war over is a fabrication that didn't exist until the middle-1800's...for the Santa legend; and early Saturnalia festivals if you really want to go back that far...) But the annual "victimhood" festival is always a hoot.

As it happens, I don't agree with the wording on that sign and I think it's a very poor way to represent humanism. But it doesn't matter if I agree with it or not. If they want to participate by displaying THEIR beliefs, whether I or even ANYONE else agrees with them, they have that right. And once they say they want to participate and are turned down while the Christmas stuff stays, it's illegal.

The law doesn't say your beliefs have to be popular in order to have protection under the law.

You do understand that Christmas took it's origins from pagan solstice celebrations, even moving the date of the birth of Jesus to the date of the Winter Solstice to try and erase the pagan celebrations and religion, right?

The pilgrims who came and started this country actually outlawed Christmas in the late 1600's. The founding fathers thought so much of it that they worked on Christmas for almost a half of a decade after the country was founded.

The Winter Solstice is not just the Christians holiday. Christmas is barely a Christian holiday anymore. It has become the worship of commercialism and the almighty dollar. Santa Claus, presents, commercialism, none of these are Christian. Buying new toys for kids that have an entire room of them does not bring them any closer to Christ. Most people don't even attend church on Christmas and those that do it is usually the only time they go anymore.

Commercial Christmas is everywhere. You can't escape it. So why is it so all fire important that nativity scenes MUST be displayed on public government land? Are people not getting enough Christmas from the constant bombardment of the commercialism of the holiday? I would think that a true christian would be offended by all of the glitter and money that has become the new truth of Xma$ and not the message of their religion. Being pepper sprayed trying to get a cheap Xbox all in the name of Christ does not advertise the religion very well in my opinion.

Go ahead be a Christian, just don't expect that everyone else is going to bow down and accept your idea of being superior to them.

Soulshiner wrote: Most people don't even attend church on Christmas .

A lot of churches don't even have services on Christmas. Guess they figure God can't compete with a new XBox 360.