Texas official will remove nativity scene ‘when hell freezes

13 Dec 2011 11:26 #1 by CinnamonGirl


Henderson County Commissioner Joe Hall has vowed to protect a nativity scene on the lawn of the courthouse in downtown Athens, Texas.

“I’m an old country boy, you come to my house looking for a fight, you’re going to get one,” he told WFAA. “That’s from the bottom of my heart.”

The Wisconsin-based Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) sent a letter to Henderson county officials claiming that the display violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, which prohibits the government from favoring one religion over another.


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/12/t ... ezes-over/

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13 Dec 2011 11:32 #2 by AspenValley
In my observation, when religion comes into conflict with the Constitution, religious people always pick religion over the Constitution. Which is one darned good reason I am leery as hell of people who seem to want to turn this country into a Christian theocracy.

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13 Dec 2011 11:40 #3 by Reverend Revelant

CinnamonGirl wrote:



Henderson County Commissioner Joe Hall has vowed to protect a nativity scene on the lawn of the courthouse in downtown Athens, Texas.

“I’m an old country boy, you come to my house looking for a fight, you’re going to get one,” he told WFAA. “That’s from the bottom of my heart.”

The Wisconsin-based Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) sent a letter to Henderson county officials claiming that the display violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, which prohibits the government from favoring one religion over another.


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/12/t ... ezes-over/


Mr. Hall... I'm sure you can be taken care of as easily as the lawbreaking Occupy people have been.

Waiting for Armageddon since 33 AD

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13 Dec 2011 12:29 #4 by cydl

AspenValley wrote: In my observation, when religion comes into conflict with the Constitution, religious people always pick religion over the Constitution. Which is one darned good reason I am leery as hell of people who seem to want to turn this country into a Christian theocracy.



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13 Dec 2011 12:38 #5 by The Viking

AspenValley wrote: In my observation, when religion comes into conflict with the Constitution, religious people always pick religion over the Constitution. Which is one darned good reason I am leery as hell of people who seem to want to turn this country into a Christian theocracy.



"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ... .",

It is a PART of the Constitution!!! :bash :bash :bash

You are obviously the one going against the Constitution. But that is your choice.

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13 Dec 2011 12:42 - 13 Dec 2011 12:44 #6 by AspenValley
Right. Which means you can put up a Christmas nativity scene on your own front lawn and the government can't tell you you can't, but the government can't put one up on public property as it could be seen as promoting or establishing a state religion.

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13 Dec 2011 12:43 #7 by The Viking

AspenValley wrote: Right. Which means you can put up a Christmas nativity scene on your own front lawn and the government can't tell you you can't, but the government can't put one up on public property.


Please post where it says that in the Constitution.

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13 Dec 2011 12:47 #8 by AspenValley

The Viking wrote:

AspenValley wrote: Right. Which means you can put up a Christmas nativity scene on your own front lawn and the government can't tell you you can't, but the government can't put one up on public property.


Please post where it says that in the Constitution.


Does there have to be specific wording covering every conceivable example of what might be seen as the government either prohibiting free exercise of religion or promoting a state religion before you can understand that the Constitution is simply stating the government has no business EITHER interfering with your private practice of religion OR publically promoting a specific religion itself?

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13 Dec 2011 13:39 - 13 Dec 2011 14:01 #9 by LadyJazzer
I believe we've already covered that...It was called the "Lemon Test", and it was the Supreme Court's interpretation of the 1st Amendement "establishment" clause. You know, that Supreme Court thing that renders judgements on all of the cases that come before it that require interpretation of the Constitution where the Constitution is ambiguous, or requires determination. (I don't think I remember the Constitution saying anything about highway systems, airports, television/radio/cellphones, or space agencies either...) But it's "quaint" that some here would like to still pretend that we have an 18th-century republic government ruled by a "sacred" document that did NOT come down on stone tablets.

In Lemon v. Kurtzman, 403 U.S. 602 (1971), the Supreme Court has applied a three-pronged test to determine whether government action comports with the Establishment Clause, known as the "Lemon Test". First, the law or policy must have been adopted with a neutral or non-religious purpose. Second, the principle or primary effect must be one that neither advances nor inhibits religion. Third, the statute or policy must not result in an "excessive entanglement" of government with religion.[43]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon_v._Kurtzman

...And another Texas neanderthal proves to us that Bubba-Knows-Best...

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13 Dec 2011 13:43 #10 by The Viking

AspenValley wrote:

The Viking wrote:

AspenValley wrote: Right. Which means you can put up a Christmas nativity scene on your own front lawn and the government can't tell you you can't, but the government can't put one up on public property.


Please post where it says that in the Constitution.


Does there have to be specific wording covering every conceivable example of what might be seen as the government either prohibiting free exercise of religion or promoting a state religion before you can understand that the Constitution is simply stating the government has no business EITHER interfering with your private practice of religion OR publically promoting a specific religion itself?


So there isn't anything. Now that we cleared that up. If we have government officials who want to put up Chritmas decorations in the government office that they oversee, then go for it! I am so tired of all you libs trying to continually control other peoples lives if they don't believe exactly like you do.

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