Bennet introduces Visa reform bill for undocumented students

13 Dec 2011 12:55 #1 by ScienceChic
I like it - we need to encourage those who are going into science, math, and engineering to stay and work here or we are going to lose our competitive edge.

http://www.kdvr.com/news/politics/kdvr- ... 5832.story
Sen. Bennet introduces Visa reform bill for undocumented students
Eli Stokols Political Reporter
December 13, 2011

DENVER -- Colorado Sen. Michael Bennet Tuesday introduced legislation that aims to help qualified undocumented students gain access to higher education or the workplace with temporary student visas.

The proposal would create a new green card category for students with backgrounds in science, math and engineering, Bennet explained to reporters during a conference call.

The new category of visa would enable students who have graduated from high school and enrolled in college to work legally in the U.S.

It does not go as far as the DREAM Act, which would provide undocumented residents a path to citizenship by graduating college or joining the military.


"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

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13 Dec 2011 13:08 #2 by AspenValley
Are you kidding? It's bad enough when illegals steal the jobs of people trimming hedges and scrubbing toilets, now you commies want to have them steal the jobs of the upper middle class?

(Just thought I'd go ahead and make that rant and save some of our rabidly anti-immigration types the trouble.)

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13 Dec 2011 13:09 #3 by FredHayek
But consider this, since 1/2 of the cost of a CU education is paid by taxpayers, we would be subsidizing the education of foreign nationals who would compete for space in engineering classes with native born speakers and then go back to their own country with those subsidized diplomas.

Just kidding, few Americans want to take hard engineering/science courses anymore, and often the foreign students with diplomas stay in the States and help out US companies and goverments.

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13 Dec 2011 13:22 #4 by Reverend Revelant

FredHayek wrote: But consider this, since 1/2 of the cost of a CU education is paid by taxpayers, we would be subsidizing the education of foreign nationals who would compete for space in engineering classes with native born speakers and then go back to their own country with those subsidized diplomas.

Just kidding, few Americans want to take hard engineering/science courses anymore, and often the foreign students with diplomas stay in the States and help out US companies and goverments.


Somebody has to make use of the hard science educational opportunities... since our current batch of college grads have wasted their student loans with degrees in "puppetry" and "conflict resolution in the Maldives". Just review the articles about the miseducated little snowflakes that were whining at the Occupy encampments.

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13 Dec 2011 13:28 - 13 Dec 2011 13:31 #5 by The Viking

AspenValley wrote: Are you kidding? It's bad enough when illegals steal the jobs of people trimming hedges and scrubbing toilets, now you commies want to have them steal the jobs of the upper middle class?

(Just thought I'd go ahead and make that rant and save some of our rabidly anti-immigration types the trouble.)


For once I totally agree with you. Can't beleive anyone supports this to take away more American jobs. Especially middle to upper class jobs and give them to people who broke the law ans reward them for it. Bennet is Clueless!

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13 Dec 2011 13:29 #6 by Rick

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

FredHayek wrote: But consider this, since 1/2 of the cost of a CU education is paid by taxpayers, we would be subsidizing the education of foreign nationals who would compete for space in engineering classes with native born speakers and then go back to their own country with those subsidized diplomas.

Just kidding, few Americans want to take hard engineering/science courses anymore, and often the foreign students with diplomas stay in the States and help out US companies and goverments.


Somebody has to make use of the hard science educational opportunities... since our current batch of college grads have wasted their student loans with degrees in "puppetry" and "conflict resolution in the Maldives". Just review the articles about the miseducated little snowflakes that were whining at the Occupy encampments.

Better yet, they can now waste their parent's money and their futures by taking OWS courses rofllol ...we really are screwed.

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13 Dec 2011 13:31 - 13 Dec 2011 13:38 #7 by BearMtnHIB

DENVER -- Colorado Sen. Michael Bennet Tuesday introduced legislation that aims to help qualified undocumented students gain access to higher education or the workplace with temporary student visas.


"undocumented" is the progressive buzzword for what the rest of us call "illegal"- which means that they broke into this country with their parents. These people are not here legally.

I don't care if they are smart- they came here illegally- and Bennet wants to make them "legal".

And they definitely would be taking the job of an American citizen who's parents paid taxes into the public school system- in fact they would be taking the spot of an American engineering student in a taxpayer funded college too!

We have 30 million Americans out of work right now- and 28 million illegal aliens here. Do we really need a program like this when our own citizens need those education opportunities and jobs?

I say no way.

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13 Dec 2011 13:32 #8 by The Viking

Science Chic wrote: I like it - we need to encourage those who are going into science, math, and engineering to stay and work here or we are going to lose our competitive edge.

http://www.kdvr.com/news/politics/kdvr- ... 5832.story
Sen. Bennet introduces Visa reform bill for undocumented students
Eli Stokols Political Reporter
December 13, 2011

DENVER -- Colorado Sen. Michael Bennet Tuesday introduced legislation that aims to help qualified undocumented students gain access to higher education or the workplace with temporary student visas.

The proposal would create a new green card category for students with backgrounds in science, math and engineering, Bennet explained to reporters during a conference call.

The new category of visa would enable students who have graduated from high school and enrolled in college to work legally in the U.S.

It does not go as far as the DREAM Act, which would provide undocumented residents a path to citizenship by graduating college or joining the military.


Since we are rewarding criminals, why don't we just go find all the educated people in prisons and let forgive them of their crimes and let them out and give them jobs ahead of law abiding citizens.

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13 Dec 2011 13:34 #9 by The Viking

BearMtnHIB wrote:

DENVER -- Colorado Sen. Michael Bennet Tuesday introduced legislation that aims to help qualified undocumented students gain access to higher education or the workplace with temporary student visas.


"undocumented" is the progressive buzzword for what the rest of us call "illeagal"- which means that they broke into this country with their parents. These people are not here legally.

I don't care if they are smart- they came here illegally- and Bennet wants to make them "legal".

And they definitely would be taking the job of an American citizen who's parents paid taxes into the public school system- in fact they would be taking the spot of an American engineering student in a taxpayer funded college too!

We have 30 million Americans out of work right now- and 28 million illegal aliens here. Do we really need a program like this whn our own citizens need those education opportunities and jobs?

I say no way.


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13 Dec 2011 14:06 #10 by ScienceChic

The Viking wrote:

AspenValley wrote: Are you kidding? It's bad enough when illegals steal the jobs of people trimming hedges and scrubbing toilets, now you commies want to have them steal the jobs of the upper middle class?

(Just thought I'd go ahead and make that rant and save some of our rabidly anti-immigration types the trouble.)


For once I totally agree with you. Can't beleive anyone supports this to take away more American jobs. Especially middle to upper class jobs and give them to people who broke the law ans reward them for it. Bennet is Clueless!

(Psst, she was being sarcastic.) Take away American jobs? Whatever happened to filling the jobs with the best qualified people, regardless of sex, color, race, etc? What's better: filling a spot in a university with a foreign student who gets their education, then takes it back to their country to benefit them with patents, publications, and innovative product development, or filling it with students who are more likely to stay here because their parents are here, thus benefitting the U.S.? This bill doesn't "take away jobs" - cutting funding for science research, and R&D development does that - and when the jobs are available, you don't want to stick John Smith, who graduated with a 2.5GPA, in there just cuz he's American, but the best candidate available and it's been documented over and over that only by widening our pool of applicants to the widest available do we create a bigger cream of the crop. This bill doesn't make them citizens, it only gives them an opportunity to go to school and work; if they fail, or do a bad job and get fired, then they have to leave. Sounds like it fosters responsibility, accountability, and opportunity to me. It's certainly better than them continuing to "hide" here, working dead-end jobs and contributing to our economic and social problems, instead of being tax-paying, upstanding, productive members of our country.

BearMtnHIB wrote: I don't care if they are smart- they came here illegally- and Bennet wants to make them "legal".

No, he doesn't - read the article, this does not provide a pathway for citizenship. And in addition,

The bill would also start a new fund through visa fees that would pay for scholarships for low-income K-12 students; and it would also provide opportunities for military service members and unemployed workers, according to Bennet's office.

The Viking wrote: Since we are rewarding criminals, why don't we just go find all the educated people in prisons and let forgive them of their crimes and let them out and give them jobs ahead of law abiding citizens.

Funny, that isn't what you said when it was Rick Perry's idea.
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The Viking wrote:

Conservation Voice wrote: What about Perry supporting in-state tuition for illegals?

All for it. If students were brought there without their say and went to school for 3 years or more like Perry says, and have the grades to go to college and wants to stay in Texas, then there are two choices. They still have to pay tuition. It can be in state which is where they graduated high school from like all the other in state residents. They get a college degree and since we as a nation are not going to throw them out of the country, they become productive tax paying people in America. Or they make them pay out of state which most will not be able to afford and they go down a bad road financially and then we have to support them on welfare. I am totally AGAINST illegal immigration! BUT I am just as much against turning this nation into more of a welfare nation.

And on top of that Perry is as we speak still trying to get a bill pushed through his state that closes sancuary cities like Houston and to a lesser extent Austin. It makes everyone e-verify so we know if they are a citizen to get work. And it fights to put more boots on the ground and close our borders!


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The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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