Keystone fact check from think progress

plaidvillain wrote: This pipeline is a complete sham. It will not create jobs, but will create a NET LOSS of jobs (those midwest refineries employees will be SOL...not to mention the transport industry employees currently moving this "crude"), it will have ZERO impact on our dependancy to mid-east oil, as it will be refined by non-American multi national corps for EXPORT. With pipelines, its not a matter of if there will be a spill...only a question of when and how devastating.

How do the conservatives here feel about the hundreds of eminent domain cases already filed in TX and NE? You guys ok with a foreign corp taking Americans' lands against their wishes?

This (snake)oil pipeline has many negative impacts, with almost no real positives. We're being sold a scam - do your research and don't buy into this lie.

They've been drinking the Kool-Aid so long they don't know how NOT to....

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plaidvillain wrote: This pipeline is a complete sham. It will not create jobs, but will create a NET LOSS of jobs (those midwest refineries employees will be SOL...not to mention the transport industry employees currently moving this "crude"), it will have ZERO impact on our dependancy to mid-east oil, as it will be refined by non-American multi national corps for EXPORT. With pipelines, its not a matter of if there will be a spill...only a question of when and how devastating.

How do the conservatives here feel about the hundreds of eminent domain cases already filed in TX and NE? You guys ok with a foreign corp taking Americans' lands against their wishes?

This (snake)oil pipeline has many negative impacts, with almost no real positives. We're being sold a scam - do your research and don't buy into this lie.

do you work in the industry? nice scare tactics tongue: . the only scam is your ignorance dumba.s and guess what dumba.s i am not a conservative.

Science Chic wrote: www.desmogblog.com/cornell-report-busts-...tone-xl-job-creation
Cornell Report Busts Myth of Keystone XL Job Creation

snip..to save unnecessary wasteful energy...
a new report by the Cornell University Global Labor Institute.

snip..to save unnecessary additional wasteful energy...
http://www.desmogblog.com/without-facts ... rt-twitter

snip..now we are wasting energy?
Keystone XL, if built, would be an export pipeline

a blog really? so you do understand hydro-carbons? right? or do you actually believe it is "fossil fuel"? science something?

Hey znov, my assertions are based on the independent Cornell study and TransCanada's own statements. I'd have no problem admitting an error if you can provide facts to dispute my statements - but you can't - you just insult me...call me names...even though you know nothing about me. It's ok. I hold no grudge...

My grandfather used to say, "you know how dumb the average person is...well, half of 'em are dumber than that!" Thanks for proving him right.

plaidvillain wrote: Hey znov, my assertions are based on the independent Cornell study and TransCanada's own statements. I'd have no problem admitting an error if you can provide facts to dispute my statements - but you can't - you just insult me...call me names...even though you know nothing about me. It's ok. I hold no grudge...

My grandfather used to say, "you know how dumb the average person is...well, half of 'em are dumber than that!" Thanks for proving him right.

And you can't even answer a question jerk-wad... "do you work in the industry?"

Let's see what the folks who actually WORK in the industry have had to say about this project in the last year...

Union Support For Keystone XL Pipeline Project

General President William P. Hite and the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipe Fitting Industry of the United States and Canada lauded the U.S. Department of State decision to move forward with a next step for the Keystone XL pipeline permit.

The State Department expects to request public comment on a Supplemental Draft Environmental Impact Statement for the proposed pipeline. A 45-day public comment period would begin with a Federal Register notice expected to be issued in mid-April.

“The Keystone XL Pipeline will play a vital role in putting deserving people to work in this difficult economy. It will also help promote U.S. energy independence,” General President Hite said. “We are sincerely grateful for the State Department’s prudent decision to move this forward.

http://www.pipeline-news.com/feature/un ... ne-project

Hmmmm

Obama’s Rejection of Keystone Pipeline Sets Up Campaign Battle

Jan. 19 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama’s rejection of TransCanada Corp.’s Keystone XL pipeline permit exposed a split in a core Democratic constituency and handed Republicans a new line of election-year attack.

Unions representing construction workers condemned the move while labor groups including the United Steel Workers, the United Auto Workers and the Service Employees International Union joined with environmental advocates in saying they support Obama’s decision. It also triggered swift criticism from congressional Republicans and the party’s presidential candidates.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-0 ... attle.html

Maybe these folks know what they are talking about...

Unions Furious at Obama for Killing Pipeline Jobs

Washington, D.C. (November 10, 2011) – Terry O’Sullivan, General President of LIUNA – the Laborers’ International Union of North America – made the following statement today in response to the U.S. State Department delay of the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline:

Environmentalists formed a circle around the White House and within days the Obama Administration chose to inflict a potentially fatal delay to a project that is not just a pipeline, but is a lifeline for thousands of desperate working men and women. The Administration chose to support environmentalists over jobs – job-killers win, American workers lose.

http://nation.foxnews.com/keystone-pipe ... z1juqlkstg

I guess the socialist sitting in their little cubicles at Think Progress knows better than the unions and trade groups that actually deal with this industry on a daily basis. Obama is painting himself in a corner he will never get out of.

Welcome to 285bound and freedom of speech plaidvillian! Hope you brought some body armor! :woo hoo:

plaidvillain wrote: Hey znov, my assertions are based on the independent Cornell study and TransCanada's own statements. I'd have no problem admitting an error if you can provide facts to dispute my statements - but you can't - you just insult me...call me names...even though you know nothing about me. It's ok. I hold no grudge...

My grandfather used to say, "you know how dumb the average person is...well, half of 'em are dumber than that!" Thanks for proving him right.

you claimed much more in your op-ed...we each stand by our opinions?

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