Justice Dept silent as Holder charges critics with racism

You know Dog, if you or Holder actually had some evidence that his race has anything at all to do with him being criticized, it would be much more convincing. What's happening is that Holder and people like you are asserting guilt of racism just because there happens to be racism in the world. With this kind of logic, it's no wonder racism continues to live on and thrive....on all sides.

Holder did not call all or even most of his critics as racist, as the OP would have you believe instead he referred to the idealogical differences that most of his critics have with his idealogy. However, do you actually believe that there are not a few extremists out there who differ with Holder due to his race? Do you actually believe that AG Holder and President Obama have not received phone calls and emails and blogs attacking them on their race? Further, when these bloggers and other critics attack Holder and Obama as "racists" with no factual underpinning, that implies racism as well. You would like examples, then look at what your hero and spokesperson Rush Limbaugh had to say about the DOJ finding that there was insufficient evidence to prosecute the New Black Panters for voter intimidation when not a single voter complained about it.

Did Holder obstruct justice in a civil rights case? Did he go to the line attorneys and say, "Drop the charges, we're not going to pursue these guys"? The answer is obvious, and it's all on tape. Holder protected civil rights deniers, the New Black Panthers, and it is said that race is what motivated Holder.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2010/ ... nther_case


My point is that instead of the implication in the title of this post that Holder is blaming all of his critics of racism, he instead did just the opposite, that while a few extremists might be motivated by racism, most of his critics were complaining based on differences in ideology, which is quite opposite of what the OP was trying to imply. Holder is trying to talk about the differences between his idealogy and those of his critics, not race. But instead the right wing blathers here try to twist into racism rather than talk about the actual issue and the actual facts of the interview.

Here are a few comments made by right wing bloggers after the Obama election:


On a radio show on the white supremacist Internet forum Stormfront soon after Barack Obama's win, anti-Semite and racist David Duke announced, "I really believe tonight is a night of tragedy and sadness for our people in many ways…[we've lost] the fundamental values of the United States of America…the country is not recognizable any more."

Hal Turner, a New Jersey-based white supremacist, wrote on his blog that "America committed national suicide tonight because we turned control of this nation over to inferior people who, in the history of the world, have never created or maintained the kind of advanced nation that we White people created here." On the neo-Nazi Vanguard News Network forum, "Wild_Bill_Hyde" declared that America was now "OFFICIALLY DEAD!"

The Occidental Observer, an online magazine connected to the racist journal The Occidental Quarterly, posted an editorial on the election, calling it "the worst of all possible results." It said that white people who attended Obama's victory rally in Chicago were "pathetic" and argued that Obama will likely institute "quota-style affirmative action and transfer payments that will alienate whites in droves."

Racists posting to the white supremacist Internet forum Ni--ermania appeared somewhat more resigned. A person using the screen-name "KOS" declared, "America will become another third-world sh-thole like Africa if it is run by people like Barack Hussein Obama and other minorities." Another extremist, posting as "Himmler SS," wrote, "America [sic] flags should be flown upside down as the international symbol of distress." "Anti-Nigram added, "It's a nightmare I can't shake myself out of...We may not be perfect for being a bit 'racist' but God forgive us our flaws and help us survive these dark times to come back and fix it when we can."

Some racists were so angry about having an African-American president that they declared they would leave the U.S. "RightWhiteis," posting to the white supremacist White Revolution forum, wrote, "This is truly the saddest day in the history of this great nation… I am seriously thinking about moving my family to Canada for their own safety from the ape riots that are about to no doubt happen in major metropolitan areas everywhere." In a comment on white supremacist Hal Turner's blog, an anonymous poster wrote, "I have burnt the American flag in my front yard… I am seeking political asylum in Russia."

An anonymous individual posting to a Yahoo! group connected to the neo-Nazi National Socialist Movement was convinced that whites would lose their rights in America and stated, "You all have the worst of everything. He is a Black, communist, muslim, racist against white, and friends with jews… Well be prepared to have to fight harder for freedoms you use to have. I doubt the bill of rights will be enforced after his swearing in."

Some white supremacists angrily declared that Caucasians who had chosen an African-American to be president were traitors to their race. On White Revolution, "Fallschirmjager173" claimed that "the recent election of a negroid as president of america, was brought about by dumbed down white traitors, to this nation." An anonymous poster made a similar comment on Hal Turner's blog: "Congratulations to all you f--king sleeping mesmerized race traitors who just made the United States a 3rd world country filled with Illegal Mexicans and f--king Ni--ers who will run free and have a Ni--er commander and chief looking over their shoulders. You all make me f--king sick. I have burnt the American flag in my front yard."


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Do you really believe there are not extremists out there who oppose Holder and Obama based on their race?

He shouldn't even mention race because it does make him look weak and grasping for straws. You should also know that racism works both ways and there are surely blacks or other minorities that are racists and love to see a white guy go down. Holder brought this up on his own and while he isn't saying racism is the main reason for his critics, he is stating that it is a reason even though he has ZERO evidence other than there are still racists roaming around.

And btw, I'm missinng a power tool from my garage so it must have been stolen since there are so many thieves in the world.

You really believe that Eric Holder has zero experience with racism against him? Have you reviewed his correspondence, lived his life, experienced his experiences? It is really funny to see the right wingers twist Holder's comments that while a few extremists may criticize him partly because of his race while most of his critics do so based on idealogical differences into Holder claiming his critics are racist. Did not happen, and you should be ashamed.

Something the Dog Said wrote: You really believe that Eric Holder has zero experience with racism against him? Have you reviewed his correspondence, lived his life, experienced his experiences? It is really funny to see the right wingers twist Holder's comments that while a few extremists may criticize him partly because of his race while most of his critics do so based on idealogical differences into Holder claiming his critics are racist. Did not happen, and you should be ashamed.

Oh please, you keep deflecting to generalizations. Let me know when you have some evidence that a House member or some media critic (other than annonymous blog posters) is trying to get him booted because of his skin color. What does his life experience have to do with him being under the microscope for the F&F disaster? You should be ashamed for falling into the race card excuse without evidence.

And for the record, I never said Holder never experienced racism...even I have and I'm a white guy ....but that is just a deflection on your part.

Something the Dog Said wrote:

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote: Does anyway really doubt that there are some extremists out there, such as white supremicists, who criticize AG Holder and President Obama primarily because of their skin color?

As the quoted article fails to point out, AG Holder did say that only a few of the extremists had an animus against he and President Obama because they were African-Americans but that most of his critics were due to idealogical differences. This is quite a bit different than the OP and right wing blog would have you believe. But then the right never lets actual facts get in the way of a good "outrage".


"Of that group of critics, Mr. Holder said he believed that a few — the “more extreme segment” — were motivated by animus against Mr. Obama and that he served as a stand-in for him. “This is a way to get at the president because of the way I can be identified with him,” he said, “both due to the nature of our relationship and, you know, the fact that we’re both African-American.”

Mr. Holder, however, attributed most of the hostility to underlying ideological differences. “I think that people, despite my law enforcement background, view me as taking these consistently progressive stands, and I think that, philosophically, there is a desire to get at that person,” he said. “But I think the stands I have taken are totally consistent with a person who is looking at things realistically, factually.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/18/us/po ... der&st=cse

The "extremist" Mr. Holder is talking about is the members of the House who are looking into his possible mishandling of the Fast and Furious affair. Holder is not talking about some far right wing nutcase sitting out in the woods scratching his ass and trying to figure out a way to "get that n*****r." The article failed to point out what you are saying because HOLDER WAS TALKING ABOUT HIS POLITICAL RIVALS, not some nut cases out in the hinterland.

Boy... you'll make up all kinds of sh*t to cover for the administration. Show me where Holder is talking about "white supremacists"? You just made that up and pulled it out of your rear... didn't you?

If you actually read the articles and if you had the ability to read and comprehend my post, I did not say that Holder was talking about white supremecists, that was my reference. The group of critics that AG Holder was referrring to were not just members of the House, but commentators, and right wing bloggers. Since you have been unable to actually read the article from which AG Holder is quoted, I have provided the relevant quote (in bold) for your benefit. Must suck to be you. Despite your pathetic attempts at misquoting and lying to justify your "outrage", the true facts do not support your slander.


But Mr. Holder contended that many of his other critics — not only elected Republicans but also a broader universe of conservative commentators and bloggers — were instead playing “Washington gotcha” games, portraying them as frequently “conflating things, conveniently leaving some stuff out, construing things to make it seem not quite what it was” to paint him and other department figures in the worst possible light.

Of that group of critics, Mr. Holder said he believed that a few — the “more extreme segment” — were motivated by animus against Mr. Obama and that he served as a stand-in for him. “This is a way to get at the president because of the way I can be identified with him,” he said, “both due to the nature of our relationship and, you know, the fact that we’re both African-American.”

Mr. Holder, however, attributed most of the hostility to underlying ideological differences. “I think that people, despite my law enforcement background, view me as taking these consistently progressive stands, and I think that, philosophically, there is a desire to get at that person,” he said. “But I think the stands I have taken are totally consistent with a person who is looking at things realistically, factually.”

He was calling his political rivals in the House racists... "not only elected Republicans..." Stop trying to deny this. Oh and you notched it up by saying "white supremacists"... gee... what would I expect. What a bunch of whiny children... racist... racist... I can't deal with the truth so I cry racist....

Something the Dog Said wrote: I did not say that Holder was talking about white supremecists, that was my reference.

I'm glad your dog enough to admit your mistake. Holder was not talking about white supremacist, he was talking about his political rivals, in the House and Senate, which is what I was talking about and which was the topic of this thread I posted. Of course, instead of addressing the topic and Holder's remark, you have to try and deflect with meaningless Tu Quoque argument... "Does anyone really doubt that there are some extremists out there, such as white supremacists, who criticize AG Holder and President Obama primarily because of their skin color?" Well... no... no doubt that ALL white supremacist can't stand Obama and Holder because of their skin color. So... what does your statement have to do with Holder using the race card against his political rivals in the House and Senate?

Nothing of course. You can't argue a point with another point that has nothing to do with the subject. Holder was not referring to white supremacists, holder was not referring to the racist that lives next door to me. Trying to equate the two thoughts is a deflection on your part to try to minimize Holders cheap shot using the race card.

Now... what do you think of Holder using the race card against his political rivals in the House and Senate? You fine with that. Makes sense to you? Let's stick to the topic at hand.

LLIB wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote: You really believe that Eric Holder has zero experience with racism against him? Have you reviewed his correspondence, lived his life, experienced his experiences? It is really funny to see the right wingers twist Holder's comments that while a few extremists may criticize him partly because of his race while most of his critics do so based on idealogical differences into Holder claiming his critics are racist. Did not happen, and you should be ashamed.

Oh please, you keep deflecting to generalizations. Let me know when you have some evidence that a House member or some media critic (other than annonymous blog posters) is trying to get him booted because of his skin color. What does his life experience have to do with him being under the microscope for the F&F disaster? You should be ashamed for falling into the race card excuse without evidence.

And for the record, I never said Holder never experienced racism...even I have and I'm a white guy ....but that is just a deflection on your part.

deflection on my part, I think not. You should offer the Board an apology for your distorted post and attempt to twist a statement by AG Holder into something that was 180 degrees opposite from what he actually said. I realize that conservatives have no shame and will lie about anything to make it into an outrage, but you should have the grace to make an apology when you are so blatantly caught in your lies.

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote:

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote: Does anyway really doubt that there are some extremists out there, such as white supremicists, who criticize AG Holder and President Obama primarily because of their skin color?

As the quoted article fails to point out, AG Holder did say that only a few of the extremists had an animus against he and President Obama because they were African-Americans but that most of his critics were due to idealogical differences. This is quite a bit different than the OP and right wing blog would have you believe. But then the right never lets actual facts get in the way of a good "outrage".


"Of that group of critics, Mr. Holder said he believed that a few — the “more extreme segment” — were motivated by animus against Mr. Obama and that he served as a stand-in for him. “This is a way to get at the president because of the way I can be identified with him,” he said, “both due to the nature of our relationship and, you know, the fact that we’re both African-American.”

Mr. Holder, however, attributed most of the hostility to underlying ideological differences. “I think that people, despite my law enforcement background, view me as taking these consistently progressive stands, and I think that, philosophically, there is a desire to get at that person,” he said. “But I think the stands I have taken are totally consistent with a person who is looking at things realistically, factually.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/18/us/po ... der&st=cse

The "extremist" Mr. Holder is talking about is the members of the House who are looking into his possible mishandling of the Fast and Furious affair. Holder is not talking about some far right wing nutcase sitting out in the woods scratching his ass and trying to figure out a way to "get that n*****r." The article failed to point out what you are saying because HOLDER WAS TALKING ABOUT HIS POLITICAL RIVALS, not some nut cases out in the hinterland.

Boy... you'll make up all kinds of sh*t to cover for the administration. Show me where Holder is talking about "white supremacists"? You just made that up and pulled it out of your rear... didn't you?

If you actually read the articles and if you had the ability to read and comprehend my post, I did not say that Holder was talking about white supremecists, that was my reference. The group of critics that AG Holder was referrring to were not just members of the House, but commentators, and right wing bloggers. Since you have been unable to actually read the article from which AG Holder is quoted, I have provided the relevant quote (in bold) for your benefit. Must suck to be you. Despite your pathetic attempts at misquoting and lying to justify your "outrage", the true facts do not support your slander.


But Mr. Holder contended that many of his other critics — not only elected Republicans but also a broader universe of conservative commentators and bloggers — were instead playing “Washington gotcha” games, portraying them as frequently “conflating things, conveniently leaving some stuff out, construing things to make it seem not quite what it was” to paint him and other department figures in the worst possible light.

Of that group of critics, Mr. Holder said he believed that a few — the “more extreme segment” — were motivated by animus against Mr. Obama and that he served as a stand-in for him. “This is a way to get at the president because of the way I can be identified with him,” he said, “both due to the nature of our relationship and, you know, the fact that we’re both African-American.”

Mr. Holder, however, attributed most of the hostility to underlying ideological differences. “I think that people, despite my law enforcement background, view me as taking these consistently progressive stands, and I think that, philosophically, there is a desire to get at that person,” he said. “But I think the stands I have taken are totally consistent with a person who is looking at things realistically, factually.”

He was calling his political rivals in the House racists... "not only elected Republicans..." Stop trying to deny this. Oh and you notched it up by saying "white supremacists"... gee... what would I expect. What a bunch of whiny children... racist... racist... I can't deal with the truth so I cry racist....

His reference to the critics were and I quote his actual remarks:
"Mr. Holder contended that many of his other critics — not only elected Republicans but also a broader universe of conservative commentators and bloggers" which certainly is a much larger universe than republican congressmen. Of that universe, he referred to a few extremists of that larger group to criticize him because of his race and as a stand in for President Obama. Certainly your remarks and those of the OP and other idiots here are factually untrue, as he went on to state that most of his critics are against him based on idealogical differences.

What is with you bunch of whiny conservatives, can't deal with the truth so must make up lies.