Ron Paul: The Bilderbergers Want to Control Our banks

This is nonsense, TLGT. Code language. Really? This is the easy way to set up a straw man to attack. Talk about deflection.

2wlady wrote: FredHayek wrote:

I can still support someone without agreeing to all that they do.

Yeah, so did many German people about Hitler. He was improving the economy so they could close their eyes to his position on Jews, homosexuals, gypsies, the mentally and emotionally challenged, etc.

Sure, you can disagree with some of what "they do" and expound. But be careful. You may find that what you disagree with is what comes back to bite you about this guy.

:VeryScared: You guys seem a little too worried about a 76 year old man who has no shot at the nomination much less the presidency. Actually the one I am starting to get concerned about is Santorum. While I like his fiscal policies, some of the moral restrictions he wants to place on americans are worrisome. I think homosexuals have much more to worry about from Rick than communists have to worry from Ron Paul who is retiring from Congress soon.

Arlen wrote: This is nonsense, TLGT. Code language. Really? This is the easy way to set up a straw man to attack. Talk about deflection.

What straw man? Have you been getting John Birch material for 20-30 years? Have you been getting Ron Paul material for 10-20 years? Have you paid attention to the white supremacists in this country? Have you keep track of the KKK, Covenant groups, Identity groups, the modern WHITE yahwistic groups, The La Porte church in Colorado. I bet not... because you ignorance to these people, groups and mindset is evident. The is a consistent and easily documentable thread of racism, homophobia, anti-zionism (and in turn it spills over to anti-Israel and anti-semitism) among these groups. Ron Paul is an old school John Bircher. The Bircher's are in turn into blaming the control of the world on 200 year old conspiracies like the Illuminati and other masonic styled groups, who in turn claim the Jews control the world and so on and so on.... homosexuals are out to destroy our culture morally... blacks are inferior... and on and on...

I mean honestly. This is not new news. Rather old. And most of the time when I come across someone like you, someone who makes a statement like you made above, there is only two reasons... you are ignorant of the facts or you actually agree with this sort of crap and your statement is meant as a deflection. It's one way or the other.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/26/us/26 ... d=1&ref=us

John Birch Society Aug 21, 2009 Ron Paul Speech Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S9Ogyu5DDY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBGQCses ... re=related

William F. Buckley famously denounced the John Birch Society and its founder Robert Welch in the early 1960s as “idiotic” and “paranoid. “
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... iety-2010/

FACT CHECK: Ron Paul Personally Defended Racist Newsletters
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/ ... ?mobile=nc

And while I am at supplying links and references... a few choice tidbits from Ron Paul's newsletter and other publications...

"It's the hip-hop thing to do among the urban youth who play unsuspecting whites like pianos. The youth simply walk up to a car they like, pull a gun, tell the family to get out, steal their jewelry and wallets, and take the car to wreck. Such actions have ballooned in recent months.

"Those who don't commit sodomy, who don't get a blood transfusion, and who don't swap needles, are virtually assured of not getting AIDS unless they are deliberately infected by a malicious gay."

"Dr. [William C.] Douglass believes that AIDS is a deliberately engineered hybrid of these two animal viruses cultured in human tissue, and he blames World Health Organization experimentation at Ft. Detrick, Maryland. […] "'I have always said,' notes Dr. Douglass [in Health Freedom News, an "anti-government medicine" publication], 'and our forefathers told us this, that the greatest threat to the people is always government. Not foreign governments, but our own government.'"

"A mob of black demonstrators, led by the 'Rev.' Al Sharpton, occupied and closed the Statue of Liberty recently, demanding that New York be renamed Martin Luther King City 'to reclaim it for our people.' "Hmmm. I hate to agree with the Rev. Al, but maybe a name change is in order. Welfaria? Zooville? Rapetown? Dirtburg? Lazyopolis? "But Al, the Statue of Liberty? Next time, hold that demonstration at a food stamp bureau or a crack house."

(Links to the newsletter PDF's and other supporting links available at... http://motherjones.com/politics/2012/01 ... republican )

If I didn't tell you the above ten quotes came from Ron Paul's organization... if I said it was from some Bircher material or the KKK or some white supremacists... you probably would have no problem believing it. This is the group that Ron Paul has been running with for almost 40 years. It's no secret, never has been, it's just that we have a new generation of uninformed voters along with the old crop of racists... which makes Ron Paul look fresh and clean. He's not... he's an old-school-Texas-western-styled bigot and racist hater.

ANd a little addendum to the material here...

Proponents of Bilderberg conspiracy theories in the United States include individuals and groups such as the John Birch Society,[36][38] political activist Phyllis Schlafly,[38] writer Jim Tucker,[39] political activist Lyndon LaRouche,[40] radio host Alex Jones,[1] and politician Jesse Ventura, who made the Bilderberg group a topic of a 2009 episode of his TruTV series Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura.[41] Non-American proponents include Russian-Canadian writer Daniel Estulin.[42]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg ... y_theories

I'm beginning to get a good sense of the flavor of some of the conservatives hanging around 285 bound. Not a surprise... just interesting.

FredHayek wrote:

2wlady wrote: FredHayek wrote:

I can still support someone without agreeing to all that they do.

Yeah, so did many German people about Hitler. He was improving the economy so they could close their eyes to his position on Jews, homosexuals, gypsies, the mentally and emotionally challenged, etc.

Sure, you can disagree with some of what "they do" and expound. But be careful. You may find that what you disagree with is what comes back to bite you about this guy.

:VeryScared: You guys seem a little too worried about a 76 year old man who has no shot at the nomination much less the presidency. Actually the one I am starting to get concerned about is Santorum. While I like his fiscal policies, some of the moral restrictions he wants to place on americans are worrisome. I think homosexuals have much more to worry about from Rick than communists have to worry from Ron Paul who is retiring from Congress soon.

Stop deflecting from the topic. You're the one who has no problem with him. You said so yourself.

I'm not worried that this jerk is going to get elected president. But I am concerned that first... this sort of new-world-order-conspiracy-Jews-run-the-world-racist-homophobic-cabal-bull is still being presented and fed to a whole new age of young voters... those who will continue to perpetrate these hoary bigoted theories... and second... people like you still find no real problem with it.

Santorum is not the subject here... go start a Santorum thread if you want.

Since Santorum has about as much chance of winning as TLGT has of coming up with a rational, original thought, I'd LOVE for Santorum to get the nomination. It will be a cakewalk for Obama. (Even better than Palin !! or Bachmann!)

LadyJazzer wrote: Since Santorum has about as much chance of winning as TLGT has of coming up with a rational, original thought, I'd LOVE for Santorum to get the nomination. It will be a cakewalk for Obama. (Even better than Palin !! or Bachmann!)

I said above... "I'm beginning to get a good sense of the flavor of some of the conservatives hanging around 285 bound. Not a surprise... just interesting." And then there is **********... who I already have a very good sense of... who comments up and down this thread, even agreeing with me...at the same time she claims to have me on ignore... which makes her comments on this thread look even more asinine then usual. What can you do... I've tried to stop her from looking stupid... some people... ya got to let them crash and burn on their own.

TLGT, you are trying with quite a bit of effort to associate Ron Paul with weirdo groups so that you may then attack those groups as a lefthanded attack against Ron Paul. That is a liberal tactic. Quit it.

It's a conspiracy theory about a conspiracy theory about a conspiracy theory. Would make a good movie.

Arlen wrote: TLGT, you are trying with quite a bit of effort to associate Ron Paul with weirdo groups so that you may then attack those groups as a lefthanded attack against Ron Paul. That is a liberal tactic. Quit it.

I'm not doing a damn thing. Ron Paul has spent 30 year or more connecting himself with weirdo groups (see my video links) and making (or supporting) weirdo statements... that's a truth tactic... you can't seem to see the difference. This is Ron Paul's public record... not something I'm making up. And I don't care what kind of deflection you want to make... calling it a liberal tactic or whatever. I don't give two sh**es about who's side you're on. What you are saying to me is you let your bias's direct your honesty.

Too bad for you.

Then continue your crap. Your credibility will only suffer.