Occupy DC movement Plans Mayhem for convention

I can only see this escalating... right up to the state convention, national conventions and other large gatherings.

Occupy D.C. preparing to crash CPAC

During a Thursday meeting at McPherson Square, until Saturday the epicenter of the protests, Occupiers brainstormed tactics for shutting down or disrupting the conference, according to a source who was present at the meeting.

The protesters suggested pulling fire alarms in the hotel where the conference will take place, screaming “fire” during conference activities, “glitter-bombing” participants, cutting electrical power, and barricading entrances to the hotel, according to the source, who requested anonymity.

“Speakers will be physically assaulted, not just verbally confronted,” the source told Scribe in an email. Two Occupiers, who the source also identified as members of the New Black Panther Party, “said they would be disappointed if they didn’t get arrested and planned to ‘make it count.’”

The source quoted another protester as saying, “Mitt [Romney] has Secret Service now, but [Newt] Gingrich and [Andrew] Breitbart don’t,” seemingly suggesting that the latter two would not be as heavily guarded.

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/02/07/r ... rash-cpac/

I have no problem with legal public protest... it's a right we have to petition, but these Occupy folks piss me off. They are not a grass roots organization, we saw 8 months of criminal activities at their Occupy camps, many parts of their "mission" statement reads like a 9 year old child screaming for their ice cream and various Occupy groups have been whipping up support for more violent activities. This kind of protest eventually forces the authorities to resort to physical means to retain order... which may just be what the Occupy movement wants. Some of their complaints have some merit, but the point has been made, there are legal and political channels they can now use to move forward and they can start acting like valued citizens.

Seems like pretty imature tactics to me. And will accomplish little.

Looks like they tipped their hand and security will be tripled to the specific threats and doubled elsewhere.

OR- It could be a giant bluff to keep people away.

Please tell me you knew I couldn't resist responding to this one. Please, please.

Dr. Fill wrote: I can only see this escalating... right up to the state convention, national conventions and other large gatherings.

Occupy D.C. preparing to crash CPAC

During a Thursday meeting at McPherson Square, until Saturday the epicenter of the protests, Occupiers brainstormed tactics for shutting down or disrupting the conference, according to a source who was present at the meeting.

The protesters suggested pulling fire alarms in the hotel where the conference will take place, screaming “fire” during conference activities, “glitter-bombing” participants, cutting electrical power, and barricading entrances to the hotel, according to the source, who requested anonymity.

“Speakers will be physically assaulted, not just verbally confronted,” the source told Scribe in an email. Two Occupiers, who the source also identified as members of the New Black Panther Party, “said they would be disappointed if they didn’t get arrested and planned to ‘make it count.’”

The source quoted another protester as saying, “Mitt [Romney] has Secret Service now, but [Newt] Gingrich and [Andrew] Breitbart don’t,” seemingly suggesting that the latter two would not be as heavily guarded.

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/02/07/r ... rash-cpac/

I have no problem with legal public protest... it's a right we have to petition, but these Occupy folks [urine] me off. They are not a grass roots organization, we saw 8 months of criminal activities at their Occupy camps, many parts of their "mission" statement reads like a 9 year old child screaming for their ice cream and various Occupy groups have been whipping up support for more violent activities. This kind of protest eventually forces the authorities to resort to physical means to retain order... which may just be what the Occupy movement wants.

In the past, you've requested links to sites that decry, and express outrage at, the violent tactics of the fringe elements of the Occupy Movement. Here are three that I found:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/02/08/chris-hedges-occupys-black-bloc-is-serving-the-1-percent/
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7387229n
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/08/1062666/-Anonymous-speaks-out-on-Black-Bloc

These are just a few of the many that are out there. There are more. I doubt, given your past posting record, you'll change any of your perspectives, but you asked and I delivered - still doesn't mean I'm at your beck and call, though :hugegrin:

Dr. Fill wrote: The Occupy mover is not working for the interests of this country or it's citizens.

I hope we can agree to disagree on this. The ongoing characterization of everyone in this movement as being dirty, filthy, cesspool of humanity, criminal, anarchist, hippy, etc., snowflakes is STILL a MIS-characterization of the movement, as a whole, in my opinion. Nothing anyone says or does will change my view in this regard.

By my calculations, 8 months ago was the beginning of June. OWS started in mid/late September, 3 months later. 5 months ago. It has actually been isolated down to a moment, even a fraction of a second when the first tweet was sent. You should remember this moment, you likely judged every aspect of the movement and it's future within a few minutes. You did not even need real information, as usual, to do it. That is what is so cool about passing judgement, you can do it as poorly as you like (for now). 8/5 = 1.6 or you were over by 60% actually more because it was later in Sept.

They are not grass roots? This movement was not started by a small group of people and small groups all over the nation are not joining in....or is it that you feel "grass roots" is good and ows is bad so they cannot go together.

"They force the authorities to use physical means"....force?......force?

"I have no problem with legal protest"...then blurred that with "petition". BS all they have to do is make protest illegal, and you cannot do it. Sad one would give up so easily. Would have been cool if the British just made the revolution illegal, we could have saved so many lives.

This is called prejudice. You have judged the future events already, kinda cute, like something a 9 year old would do...

It's all good though, when we don't agree, we stretch things to make our point. We all do it. Like I could say how you post 1-10 times a day with the same predictable stuff, but I may be stretching the truth.

I agree that the movement will not do good in the long run, even if you agree with them.

Popcorn Eater wrote: By my calculations, 8 months ago was the beginning of June. OWS started in mid/late September, 3 months later. 5 months ago. It has actually been isolated down to a moment, even a fraction of a second when the first tweet was sent. You should remember this moment, you likely judged every aspect of the movement and it's future within a few minutes. You did not even need real information, as usual, to do it. That is what is so cool about passing judgement, you can do it as poorly as you like (for now).

They are not grass roots?

"They force the authorities to use physical means"....force?......force?

"I have no problem with legal protest"...then blurred that with "petition". BS all they have to do is make protest illegal, and you cannot do it. Sad one would give up so easily. Would have been cool if the British just made the revolution illegal, we could have saved so many lives.

This is called prejudice. You have judged the future events already, kinda cute, like something a 9 year old would do...

It's all good though, when we don't agree, we stretch things to make our point. We all do it. Like I could say how you post 1-10 times a day with the same predictable stuff, but I may be stretching the truth.

I agree to a point, but bottom like is that these people cost each city they "occupy" millions that could be used for better purposes. How much did the Tea Party protests cost the taxpayers of the cities they were in?

If they want the respect of the masses, they first need to earn it by policing their own. I don't see that happening so they will have to be dealt with as if they were all criminals.

A "source" tells that website something and it's fact?

Do you police your own, they are us, they are fellow citizens. If there is a bunch of roberies in your town, do the police you finance come or do you expect the robbers to hire their own cops to bust them.

They are not a group as opposed to the tea party, not to be judged on the same terms. How much did the any group in the past that protested cost the groups that wanted to shut them down? 90% of the policing is not for public safety, but for the perception of control. I remember the police state that was Bailey Days 2 years ago. There was no need for a massive police force, but it is always there, especially in places like CO (in many parts of the country, you don't see cops everyday all over the place, they are not needed as much).

They are not a cohesive group, they have said this over and over. So it is not right to judge them as such.

You are assigning all kinds of desires to the group, based on the statements of some. That would be appropriate for say Democrats because they align with each other. These groups do not work that way.

My point is that just because you don't like the message, be carefull how you mess with the rights. There will be laws in the near future, and I don't want this, to restrict gun rights. Take the last 30 years and assume that your gun rights will go down 4x more. Eventually I figure that people will want to protest...what will this nonviolent protest look like? Could you imagine it costing $, could you imagine it actually being nonviolent?

Protest is important, the costs of excess regulation in any city that has been occupied greatly exceeds the costs of occupying? Park county has 1-4x as much govt as it needs, that is say $15-25 million extra per year. Think of how much extra money is wasted in a city like new york....and the occupy people are the problem?

How many people have the ows maimed or killed in the last year vs. the innocents hurt and killed by the Denver police?

Here meet a black guy right here in the mtns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyRwrrggxok

"just letting people know we're here." classic.

Popcorn Eater wrote: By my calculations, 8 months ago was the beginning of June. OWS started in mid/late September, 3 months later. 5 months ago. It has actually been isolated down to a moment, even a fraction of a second when the first tweet was sent. You should remember this moment, you likely judged every aspect of the movement and it's future within a few minutes. You did not even need real information, as usual, to do it. That is what is so cool about passing judgement, you can do it as poorly as you like (for now). 8/5 = 1.6 or you were over by 60% actually more because it was later in Sept.

They are not grass roots? This movement was not started by a small group of people and small groups all over the nation are not joining in....or is it that you feel "grass roots" is good and ows is bad so they cannot go together.

Look into the connection. George Soros = Tides Foundation = AdBusters = Occupy Movement[/i]

"They force the authorities to use physical means"....force?......force?

Yes... if they start violence at the CPAC... the authorities will be forced into striking back... the Occupy folks hold the key to whether that happens.[/i]

"I have no problem with legal protest"...then blurred that with "petition". BS all they have to do is make protest illegal, and you cannot do it. Sad one would give up so easily. Would have been cool if the British just made the revolution illegal, we could have saved so many lives.

Well they are not illegal... so what are you talking about. There are illegal and criminal things that the Occupy movement can do at a protest... those things I am against... aren't you?[/i]

This is called prejudice. You have judged the future events already, kinda cute, like something a 9 year old would do...

It's called leaks to the press... or didn't you read the article I linked to? There are certain elements that are promising violence. I didn't predict anything. Read the article[/i]

It's all good though, when we don't agree, we stretch things to make our point. We all do it. Like I could say how you post 1-10 times a day with the same predictable stuff, but I may be stretching the truth.

No it's not good.[/i]

I agree that the movement will not do good in the long run, even if you agree with them.

They have made some good points which I agree with. They have made many more bad points that diminish their reasonable concerns. And the fact that they have let certain elements take over the movement, let certain elements give them a public image of vandals, criminals and dirty street scum and they haven't been able to remove these element... that's why they won't do any good in the long run.

Yes, you can police your own...you can actually organize pre-occupy meetings and discuss a strategy of behavior and message delivery that gets a point across but doesn't trash and area or give police a reason to take action. When you bring shields and stuff to throw, you really shouldn't be surprised if your ass lands in jail and the country sees you more as an infestation than a disgruntled group of protesters.

Without real organization, all you get is muttled incoherent message that the rest of us no longer want to hear.