Cons, Oil, and the Lies

More Lies About the Keystone Pipeline and Jobs
Five Facts And One Big Lie: A Closer Look At The Oil Lobby's Keystone XL Jobs Claims
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With the 2012 presidential election rapidly approaching, the oil lobby is pushing harder than ever to frame the Keystone XL Pipeline (KXL) as a "job creator." However, TransCanada (the Canadian company behind the pipeline), the American Petroleum Institute (API), and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce have used massively inflated statistics. In fact, KXL would create few permanent jobs.
BIG LIE: KXL Will Create 20,000-465,000 Jobs

U.S. Chamber Of Commerce: KXL Will Create "Up To 250,000" Jobs. In a January 12, 2012, speech, Thomas J. Donohue, President of the U.S Chamber of Commerce, said: "Labor unions and the business community alike are urging President Obama to act in the best interests of our national security and our workers and approve the pipeline. We can put 20,000 Americans to work right away and up to 250,000 over the life of the project." [Donohue Remarks, 1/12/11, via USChamber.com]

American Petroleum Institute: KXL Will Enable "More Than A Half A Million New U.S. Jobs By 2035." In a January 4, 2012, speech API President Jack Gerard said: "We've seen it in the continued delay of the Keystone XL pipeline - the largest shovel-ready project promising 20,000 construction-related jobs over the next two years, enabling more than half a million new U.S. jobs by 2035." [Gerard Remarks, 1/4/12, via API.org]

TransCanada: KXL Will Create 20,000 Jobs In Construction And Manufacturing And 465,000 Jobs Throughout the U.S Economy. In a January 10, 2012, press release, TransCanada claimed: "The $7 billion oil pipeline is the largest infrastructure project on the books in the U.S. right now. It would create 20,000 jobs: 13,000 in construction, 7,000 in manufacturing. [...] As Keystone XL supports oil sands development, the impact on jobs in America becomes even more pronounced. The Canadian Energy Research Institute (CERI) predicts a $521 billion increase in the U.S. gross domestic product and the creation of 465,000 U.S. jobs." [TransCanada, 1/10/12]
FACT 1: Experts Say Those Numbers Are "Meaningless" And "Dead Wrong"

Energy Expert: The Analysis Supporting TransCanada's Claims Is "Dead Wrong." On October 27, 2011, the Council on Foreign Relations' Michael Levi wrote: "The 'economic impact study' [on which the claim of 250,000 permanent jobs is based] in question appears to be a widely cited report by The Perryman Group. ... The Perryman report has been criticized for the claim of 20,000 jobs along the pipeline route. I've seen less criticism of the far more impressive 250,000 number. ... That's a shame, since while the number is being invoked prominently, the analysis upon which it's based is dead wrong. [Council on Foreign Relations, 10/27/11]

Environmental Economist: "These Gross Employment Figures Are Meaningless." On September 9, 2011, environmental economist Andrew Leach wrote: "Sorry, TransCanada — the number which matters and on which decisions should be made is not how many people will be employed building the pipeline and supplying all of the services associated with building it, or the employment tied to the use of the oil transported. These gross employment figures are meaningless. As with GHG's, only net impacts relative to the most likely alternative matter." [Andrew Leach's blog, 9/9/11, emphasis added]

FACT 2: Independent Assessment Found That KXL Jobs Would Create As Few As 50 Permanent Jobs

FACT 3: TransCanada's Estimates Include Jobs In Other Countries

FACT 4: Even TransCanada Acknowledges That Each Construction Job Will Only Last "One Year."

FACT 5: As for the 7,000 indirect supply chain jobs, the $1.9 billion already spent by TransCanada would reduce the number of jobs that would be created in the future.

http://current.com/community/93679735_m ... d-jobs.htm


As already posted:

But it will be a real benefit for the Koch Bros. who stand to make a fortune from it.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/ ... 2420110210

Poof... So much for the lies about "jobs"... And the lies about the price-at-the-pump nonsense have already been exposed...

:Koolaid: :Koolaid:

(I'll pull a Lady Jazzer)

"But it will be a real benefit for the Koch Bros. who stand to make a fortune from it." Do you mean like Warren Buffet will make a fortune by not having the pipeline?

Buffett’s Burlington Northern Among Pipeline Winners

Warren Buffett’s Burlington Northern Santa Fe LLC is among U.S. and Canadian railroads that stand to benefit from the Obama administration’s decision to reject TransCanada Corp. (TRP)’s Keystone XL oil pipeline permit.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-2 ... eline.html

Any wonder?

Good counter reply, so LJ, even if Keystone means less permanent jobs than estimated, it will still mean more full time jobs than Solyandra, and this will be private money creating these jobs, not taxpayer bailouts.

And providing cheaper energy will be its own job multiplier.

Even if it didn't create even 1 job, the point is to get more oil from our friends than from our enemies. Plus, it seems to me that once built, it's cheaper and safer to deliver by pipe than by truck or ship. The oil WILL go to someone, it may as well be us.

CritiKalbILL wrote: Even if it didn't create even 1 job, the point is to get more oil from our friends than from our enemies. Plus, it seems to me that once built, it's cheaper and safer to deliver by pipe than by truck or ship. The oil WILL go to someone, it may as well be us.

I still haven't seen where this oil will necessarily go to us......it will just travel through our country, then be sold to the highest bidder, which may or may not be us.

I followed your first link: http://uschamber.com/ ,pasted your headline: "More Lies About the Keystone Pipeline and Jobs"

This was the result: http://www.uschamber.com/search/apaches ... and%20Jobs

This is currents home page: http://current.com/ ,

and you mock Fox. :faint:

LadyJazzer wrote:

More Lies About the Keystone Pipeline and Jobs
Five Facts And One Big Lie: A Closer Look At The Oil Lobby's Keystone XL Jobs Claims
source: [url=http://USChamber.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;]http://USChamber.com[/url]

With the 2012 presidential election rapidly approaching, the oil lobby is pushing harder than ever to frame the Keystone XL Pipeline (KXL) as a "job creator." However, TransCanada (the Canadian company behind the pipeline), the American Petroleum Institute (API), and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce have used massively inflated statistics. In fact, KXL would create few permanent jobs.
BIG LIE: KXL Will Create 20,000-465,000 Jobs

U.S. Chamber Of Commerce: KXL Will Create "Up To 250,000" Jobs. In a January 12, 2012, speech, Thomas J. Donohue, President of the U.S Chamber of Commerce, said: "Labor unions and the business community alike are urging President Obama to act in the best interests of our national security and our workers and approve the pipeline. We can put 20,000 Americans to work right away and up to 250,000 over the life of the project." [Donohue Remarks, 1/12/11, via USChamber.com]

American Petroleum Institute: KXL Will Enable "More Than A Half A Million New U.S. Jobs By 2035." In a January 4, 2012, speech API President Jack Gerard said: "We've seen it in the continued delay of the Keystone XL pipeline - the largest shovel-ready project promising 20,000 construction-related jobs over the next two years, enabling more than half a million new U.S. jobs by 2035." [Gerard Remarks, 1/4/12, via API.org]

TransCanada: KXL Will Create 20,000 Jobs In Construction And Manufacturing And 465,000 Jobs Throughout the U.S Economy. In a January 10, 2012, press release, TransCanada claimed: "The $7 billion oil pipeline is the largest infrastructure project on the books in the U.S. right now. It would create 20,000 jobs: 13,000 in construction, 7,000 in manufacturing. [...] As Keystone XL supports oil sands development, the impact on jobs in America becomes even more pronounced. The Canadian Energy Research Institute (CERI) predicts a $521 billion increase in the U.S. gross domestic product and the creation of 465,000 U.S. jobs." [TransCanada, 1/10/12]
FACT 1: Experts Say Those Numbers Are "Meaningless" And "Dead Wrong"

Energy Expert: The Analysis Supporting TransCanada's Claims Is "Dead Wrong." On October 27, 2011, the Council on Foreign Relations' Michael Levi wrote: "The 'economic impact study' [on which the claim of 250,000 permanent jobs is based] in question appears to be a widely cited report by The Perryman Group. ... The Perryman report has been criticized for the claim of 20,000 jobs along the pipeline route. I've seen less criticism of the far more impressive 250,000 number. ... That's a shame, since while the number is being invoked prominently, the analysis upon which it's based is dead wrong. [Council on Foreign Relations, 10/27/11]

Environmental Economist: "These Gross Employment Figures Are Meaningless." On September 9, 2011, environmental economist Andrew Leach wrote: "Sorry, TransCanada — the number which matters and on which decisions should be made is not how many people will be employed building the pipeline and supplying all of the services associated with building it, or the employment tied to the use of the oil transported. These gross employment figures are meaningless. As with GHG's, only net impacts relative to the most likely alternative matter." [Andrew Leach's blog, 9/9/11, emphasis added]

FACT 2: Independent Assessment Found That KXL Jobs Would Create As Few As 50 Permanent Jobs

FACT 3: TransCanada's Estimates Include Jobs In Other Countries

FACT 4: Even TransCanada Acknowledges That Each Construction Job Will Only Last "One Year."

FACT 5: As for the 7,000 indirect supply chain jobs, the $1.9 billion already spent by TransCanada would reduce the number of jobs that would be created in the future.

http://current.com/community/93679735_m ... d-jobs.htm


As already posted:

But it will be a real benefit for the Koch Bros. who stand to make a fortune from it.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/ ... 2420110210

Poof... So much for the lies about "jobs"... And the lies about the price-at-the-pump nonsense have already been exposed...

:Koolaid: :Koolaid:

archer wrote:

CritiKalbILL wrote: Even if it didn't create even 1 job, the point is to get more oil from our friends than from our enemies. Plus, it seems to me that once built, it's cheaper and safer to deliver by pipe than by truck or ship. The oil WILL go to someone, it may as well be us.

I still haven't seen where this oil will necessarily go to us......it will just travel through our country, then be sold to the highest bidder, which may or may not be us.

What happens when the Saudi's up their oil production? The world wide price goes down. Oil is a fungible item, it's global, there are multiple sources of oil worldwide. More oil being refined, no matter where, adds to the supply. We all benefit from a larger available supply of oil.

I just love LJ's "Fact 4". I am pressed to think of a single construction job which is permanent - they all seem to end as soon as the construction on the current project is completed. If there is another project to start a year from now, the construction workers will start their next job that "will only last" until that project is finished. If there isn't a new project to start, then they will once again find themselves unemployed - after having fed their families and paid their bills "for only one year". At the very least a construction project that "only lasts one year" will be paying that construction worker a better wage than they are getting through UI for an entire year - at which point they are entitled to another 99 weeks of unemployment benefits instead of running down the clock on their current 99 weeks worth to the tune of 52 weeks. Given a choice, which Obama has denied them, I'm betting there are quite a few construction workers who would be grateful to have a job that "only lasts one year" at this point.

I "love" that Billings, MT is piped oil from Canada to refine and then sends it back to Canada.

Wonder how much that will happen with the Keystone pipeline.

2wlady wrote: I "love" that Billings, MT is piped oil from Canada to refine and then sends it back to Canada.

Wonder how much that will happen with the Keystone pipeline.

How does that matter? What happens when the Saudi's up their oil production? The world wide price goes down. Oil is a fungible item, it's global, there are multiple sources of oil worldwide. More oil being refined, no matter where, adds to the supply. We all benefit from a larger available supply of oil.