What?

Whatever Archer-

You ignore decades of economic reality with you're "leap of faith" assumptions just the same way that this nutcase ignores the reality of Jews being exterminated.

No society can thrive by borrowing money- there were millions of examples at the micro-ecomonic level just in the last decade that demonstrates this reality - i.e. all the people who borrowed more money and bought more house than they could afford.

No multi-billion dollar construction project just appears without creating work that needs to be done- by workers who will have to work on it day after day.

But I bet you believe that the road construction projects that Obama borrowed money for created jobs right? Even though all that money had to be borrowed from future productivity. Which reality is false Archer?

Which economy is built on a house of cards?

Thanks for telling me what I believe Bear......you're wrong, of course, but it's a nice exercise for you.

I didn't have to tell you what you believe archer- you told me yourself....

Denying that Keystone will create jobs is not a big leap of faith since there is equal information out there that says it won't as there is that says it will. Same with borrowing and spending, in fact history tells us that borrowing and spending will improved the economy, and the idea that it won't, or will create a terrible crisis, is still speculation.

Still speculation huh?

You know that you discredit yourself when you get on here and deny that borrowing and spending trillions will damage us- in fact you are saying that it will help us.

You are the same "reality denier" as the holocaust guy- I just hope you don't expect any respect for that view. Same with the others who keep saying that the oil pipeline won't be of any benefit to us. You all are the same posters who keep posting lies about where the oil would be used too.

Just don't expect to have any credibility- that's all. You lost it along with the Jew hater.

archer wrote:
I was careful not to say he was a reflection of the GOP.......I don't think he is. Though there is a difference I think between denying the holocaust, that is a well documented event, and holding racist views. The question was how someone could deny the holocaust when so much documentation is available? I really can't fathom it.....and I wonder why anyone would vote for such a crackpot......right/left/or otherwise.

And we have a world leader about to go nuclear (AhmadidayahooJad) who denies the truth of the holocaust, as well as countless numbers of his islamic minions. There are idiots everywhere. Like Bear said - Look no further than those who believe you can build hundreds of miles of pipeline without creating jobs - just ignore logic, common sense, and reality.

archer wrote: And yes, I would feel the same way, and would have posted it, if this dude was a Democrat.......

Really? I've been on this board and on PC for quite a few years now and I've never seen you or any other liberal start a negative thread about a Democrat. I can't remember a conservative starting an negative thread about a Republican either. So I can't really believe your statement since there is no evidence that you've ever started a thread that criticized a person from the Dem party. These political boards never work that way, so you should at least be honest or show some proof of a past thread you started.

Not true, CB! Conservatives love to eat their own in primaries, remember when Viking had to defend Perry from other conservatives. Liberals came down even harder on Perry, but some conservatives did too.
Was there any big fights here with Dems trashing Hilary or Obama during the 2008 primary?

Ya, you're right Fred, I forgot. But still can't think of ANY negative thread started by a liberal that was a bout another liberal or Dem politician.....ever.

BearMtnHIB wrote: I didn't have to tell you what you believe archer- you told me yourself....

Denying that Keystone will create jobs is not a big leap of faith since there is equal information out there that says it won't as there is that says it will. Same with borrowing and spending, in fact history tells us that borrowing and spending will improved the economy, and the idea that it won't, or will create a terrible crisis, is still speculation.

Still speculation huh?

So you are denying that there are reports out there that say Keystone will not create the claimed hundreds of thousands of jobs? what rock are you living under. Posting that there are two sides to the controversy is just that, acknowledging that there ARE two sides.

You know that you discredit yourself when you get on here and deny that borrowing and spending trillions will damage us- in fact you are saying that it will help us.

Again, you didn't read what I posted just assumed you knew what I believed. You neglected to quote this part of my post

I believe it to be true, that the future depends on us cutting spending and borrowing less (and raising revenues) but there is much evidence that points to just the opposite.

I pointed out there were two sides to the controversy, and then stated which side I was on, but since that didn't jive with your preconceived notion of what I believe, you chose to ignore that and lie. No surprise there....

You are the same "reality denier" as the holocaust guy- I just hope you don't expect any respect for that view. Same with the others who keep saying that the oil pipeline won't be of any benefit to us. You all are the same posters who keep posting lies about where the oil would be used too.

Just don't expect to have any credibility- that's all. You lost it along with the Jew hater.

Nice touch.......when you don't have anything constructive to post..... attack a liberal. That always wins a few votes from your fellow conservatives here.

I thought I would put this in a separate post......maybe BEAR will actually read it rather than just spouting his opinions about what he thinks I believe without even asking. I happen to be in favor of Keystone....and hope it gets built......I am also in favor of states rights, and think the states that have expressed reservations about the safety of it's geographic path have a right to be heard and their concerns addressed. If that means it gets delayed, then that is what should happen. And that is what the president did......the Republicans tried to force feed it to the American people and the states involved, and when the president said he needed more time, they whined and cried and stomped their collective little feet. Tough....there is a right way to do this and a wrong way.....yes it should be done, but the right way.

Now what all this has to do with some idiot who has chosen to deny history I don't know

CritiKalbILL wrote: Ya, you're right Fred, I forgot. But still can't think of ANY negative thread started by a liberal that was a bout another liberal or Dem politician.....ever.

The Anthony Weiner story comes to mind, don't know if it was this board or a different board but the liberals crucified him.