Video Reveals Scott Walker's 'Divide And Conquer' Strategy

CritiKalbILL wrote:

archer wrote: You don't give up your rights as a citizen when you are a civilian employee of the government. Though I am not surprised at your responses, I have seen a trend of some conservatives wanting to strip rights from groups they disagree with.

You probably don't think taxpayers have the "right" to make sure their hard earned money isn't being wasted by government programs and employees that are not held to the same accountability standards as a person or business in the private sector. Which "rights" are you taking about?

If workers in private industry have the right to form unions, then I believe the government workers should have the same rights. Quite frankly I don't trust the government any more than I do a corporation to have the best interests of their workers at heart unless there is always the possibility that they will vote in a union.

archer wrote:

CritiKalbILL wrote:

archer wrote: You don't give up your rights as a citizen when you are a civilian employee of the government. Though I am not surprised at your responses, I have seen a trend of some conservatives wanting to strip rights from groups they disagree with.

You probably don't think taxpayers have the "right" to make sure their hard earned money isn't being wasted by government programs and employees that are not held to the same accountability standards as a person or business in the private sector. Which "rights" are you taking about?

If workers in private industry have the right to form unions, then I believe the government workers should have the same rights. Quite frankly I don't trust the government any more than I do a corporation to have the best interests of their workers at heart unless there is always the possibility that they will vote in a union.

What about the fact that the taxpayers don't have anyone at the negotiating table when it comes time to negotiate with the union? Unions won't even allow the negotiations to be done in public!

How can you even think they aren't screwing the taxpayer if they won't allow the public to see what they are giving to these unions?

RenegadeCJ wrote:

archer wrote:

CritiKalbILL wrote:

archer wrote: You don't give up your rights as a citizen when you are a civilian employee of the government. Though I am not surprised at your responses, I have seen a trend of some conservatives wanting to strip rights from groups they disagree with.

You probably don't think taxpayers have the "right" to make sure their hard earned money isn't being wasted by government programs and employees that are not held to the same accountability standards as a person or business in the private sector. Which "rights" are you taking about?

If workers in private industry have the right to form unions, then I believe the government workers should have the same rights. Quite frankly I don't trust the government any more than I do a corporation to have the best interests of their workers at heart unless there is always the possibility that they will vote in a union.

What about the fact that the taxpayers don't have anyone at the negotiating table when it comes time to negotiate with the union? Unions won't even allow the negotiations to be done in public!

How can you even think they aren't screwing the taxpayer if they won't allow the public to see what they are giving to these unions?

I predict you won't get an answer.....nice response though :thumbsup:

pineinthegrass wrote: I just don't understand how people can think it's OK to force workers by law to join a union and pay union dues. And it's even harder to understand when you consider that part of those dues go to fund one political party. At least 23 states don't think it's OK either.

under federal law, any union member can pay only a proportional amount of the dues related to the collective bargaining process so that no part of their dues go to political campaigning. It just a conservative lie that all union workers are required fund political campaigns.

RenegadeCJ wrote:

archer wrote:

CritiKalbILL wrote:

archer wrote: You don't give up your rights as a citizen when you are a civilian employee of the government. Though I am not surprised at your responses, I have seen a trend of some conservatives wanting to strip rights from groups they disagree with.

You probably don't think taxpayers have the "right" to make sure their hard earned money isn't being wasted by government programs and employees that are not held to the same accountability standards as a person or business in the private sector. Which "rights" are you taking about?

If workers in private industry have the right to form unions, then I believe the government workers should have the same rights. Quite frankly I don't trust the government any more than I do a corporation to have the best interests of their workers at heart unless there is always the possibility that they will vote in a union.

What about the fact that the taxpayers don't have anyone at the negotiating table when it comes time to negotiate with the union? Unions won't even allow the negotiations to be done in public!

How can you even think they aren't screwing the taxpayer if they won't allow the public to see what they are giving to these unions?

You're a smart guy Dog, maybe you can answer this one?

RenegadeCJ wrote:

archer wrote:

CritiKalbILL wrote:

archer wrote: You don't give up your rights as a citizen when you are a civilian employee of the government. Though I am not surprised at your responses, I have seen a trend of some conservatives wanting to strip rights from groups they disagree with.

You probably don't think taxpayers have the "right" to make sure their hard earned money isn't being wasted by government programs and employees that are not held to the same accountability standards as a person or business in the private sector. Which "rights" are you taking about?

If workers in private industry have the right to form unions, then I believe the government workers should have the same rights. Quite frankly I don't trust the government any more than I do a corporation to have the best interests of their workers at heart unless there is always the possibility that they will vote in a union.

What about the fact that the taxpayers don't have anyone at the negotiating table when it comes time to negotiate with the union? Unions won't even allow the negotiations to be done in public!

How can you even think they aren't screwing the taxpayer if they won't allow the public to see what they are giving to these unions?

the taxpayer has their elected representative at the bargaining table, and public union contracts are publicly reported.

Something the Dog Said wrote:

pineinthegrass wrote: I just don't understand how people can think it's OK to force workers by law to join a union and pay union dues. And it's even harder to understand when you consider that part of those dues go to fund one political party. At least 23 states don't think it's OK either.

under federal law, any union member can pay only a proportional amount of the dues related to the collective bargaining process so that no part of their dues go to political campaigning. It just a conservative lie that all union workers are required fund political campaigns.

You ever been in a Union Dog? I was. Drove me nuts that my $$ was going to political causes instead of staying with the union. I was informed by an acquaintance that I could pay only the proportional amount used specifically for collective bargaining, so I asked the union steward about it. He told me we could discuss after work, and he and another union "gentlemen" met me in the parking lot as requested. I was told I could do that, but it would "really be unfortunate" for me to do so. Having seen some of the tactics used by the union during a strike, I decided it wasn't worth my health, my family health, or my belongings to rock the boat. I continued to stay on.

Being able to opt out is a fairy tale. Yeah, you can do it, but the thugs in the union will make sure if you do, you save no $$.

Something the Dog Said wrote:
the taxpayer has their elected representative at the bargaining table, and public union contracts are publicly reported.

My point exactly. The union elects a politician, then they "negotiate" with the politician. How convenient. Hey politician, you give us a freebie loaded contract, and we'll make sure you stay in your position!!

RenegadeCJ wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote:

pineinthegrass wrote: I just don't understand how people can think it's OK to force workers by law to join a union and pay union dues. And it's even harder to understand when you consider that part of those dues go to fund one political party. At least 23 states don't think it's OK either.

under federal law, any union member can pay only a proportional amount of the dues related to the collective bargaining process so that no part of their dues go to political campaigning. It just a conservative lie that all union workers are required fund political campaigns.

You ever been in a Union Dog? I was. Drove me nuts that my $$ was going to political causes instead of staying with the union. I was informed by an acquaintance that I could pay only the proportional amount used specifically for collective bargaining, so I asked the union steward about it. He told me we could discuss after work, and he and another union "gentlemen" met me in the parking lot as requested. I was told I could do that, but it would "really be unfortunate" for me to do so. Having seen some of the tactics used by the union during a strike, I decided it wasn't worth my health, my family health, or my belongings to rock the boat. I continued to stay on.

Being able to opt out is a fairy tale. Yeah, you can do it, but the thugs in the union will make sure if you do, you save no $$.

Pure BS. You would have ample legal remedies had that actually occurred.

RenegadeCJ wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote:
the taxpayer has their elected representative at the bargaining table, and public union contracts are publicly reported.

My point exactly. The union elects a politician, then they "negotiate" with the politician. How convenient. Hey politician, you give us a freebie loaded contract, and we'll make sure you stay in your position!!

The union does not elect an elected official, the voters do.