Video Reveals Scott Walker's 'Divide And Conquer' Strategy

Something the Dog Said wrote:

RenegadeCJ wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote:

pineinthegrass wrote: I just don't understand how people can think it's OK to force workers by law to join a union and pay union dues. And it's even harder to understand when you consider that part of those dues go to fund one political party. At least 23 states don't think it's OK either.

under federal law, any union member can pay only a proportional amount of the dues related to the collective bargaining process so that no part of their dues go to political campaigning. It just a conservative lie that all union workers are required fund political campaigns.

You ever been in a Union Dog? I was. Drove me nuts that my $$ was going to political causes instead of staying with the union. I was informed by an acquaintance that I could pay only the proportional amount used specifically for collective bargaining, so I asked the union steward about it. He told me we could discuss after work, and he and another union "gentlemen" met me in the parking lot as requested. I was told I could do that, but it would "really be unfortunate" for me to do so. Having seen some of the tactics used by the union during a strike, I decided it wasn't worth my health, my family health, or my belongings to rock the boat. I continued to stay on.

Being able to opt out is a fairy tale. Yeah, you can do it, but the thugs in the union will make sure if you do, you save no $$.

Pure BS. You would have ample legal remedies had that actually occurred.

No, not pure BS. Happens all the time. Unions use strong arm tactics. You are ignorant if you think they don't. I was 17, and intimidated. Today I would do something different, back then I needed my job, and didn't need to worry every day I went to work. I was advised by people I knew in the mgmt not to rock the boat. During the strike we went out on the union guys on the line would make sure the scabs didn't make a lot. Tires were slashed, windows broken at their homes, etc.

I guess you've never been in a union, and questioned anything they did.

Something the Dog Said wrote:

RenegadeCJ wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote:
the taxpayer has their elected representative at the bargaining table, and public union contracts are publicly reported.

My point exactly. The union elects a politician, then they "negotiate" with the politician. How convenient. Hey politician, you give us a freebie loaded contract, and we'll make sure you stay in your position!!

The union does not elect an elected official, the voters do.

Yes, but the union has massive amounts of $$ and votes going into elections. Unions hold a ton of sway.

RenegadeCJ wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote:

RenegadeCJ wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote:
the taxpayer has their elected representative at the bargaining table, and public union contracts are publicly reported.

My point exactly. The union elects a politician, then they "negotiate" with the politician. How convenient. Hey politician, you give us a freebie loaded contract, and we'll make sure you stay in your position!!

The union does not elect an elected official, the voters do.

Yes, but the union has massive amounts of $$ and votes going into elections. Unions hold a ton of sway.

And corporations have even more $$ as seen in the current election cycle.

Something the Dog Said wrote:

RenegadeCJ wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote:

RenegadeCJ wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote:
the taxpayer has their elected representative at the bargaining table, and public union contracts are publicly reported.

My point exactly. The union elects a politician, then they "negotiate" with the politician. How convenient. Hey politician, you give us a freebie loaded contract, and we'll make sure you stay in your position!!

The union does not elect an elected official, the voters do.

Yes, but the union has massive amounts of $$ and votes going into elections. Unions hold a ton of sway.

And corporations have even more $$ as seen in the current election cycle.

Agreed. I don't like corporations negotiating with govt officials they put in either. I guess we agree, you shouldn't be able to work out financial arrangements with the people you personally put into office.

RenegadeCJ wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote:

pineinthegrass wrote: I just don't understand how people can think it's OK to force workers by law to join a union and pay union dues. And it's even harder to understand when you consider that part of those dues go to fund one political party. At least 23 states don't think it's OK either.

under federal law, any union member can pay only a proportional amount of the dues related to the collective bargaining process so that no part of their dues go to political campaigning. It just a conservative lie that all union workers are required fund political campaigns.

You ever been in a Union Dog? I was. Drove me nuts that my $$ was going to political causes instead of staying with the union. I was informed by an acquaintance that I could pay only the proportional amount used specifically for collective bargaining, so I asked the union steward about it. He told me we could discuss after work, and he and another union "gentlemen" met me in the parking lot as requested. I was told I could do that, but it would "really be unfortunate" for me to do so. Having seen some of the tactics used by the union during a strike, I decided it wasn't worth my health, my family health, or my belongings to rock the boat. I continued to stay on.

Being able to opt out is a fairy tale. Yeah, you can do it, but the thugs in the union will make sure if you do, you save no $$.

Oh, poor baby! Intimidated out of your legal rights?!?! And you?...Mr. stand-up-for-your-rights teabagger were unable to say "no"?!?! Who knew!?!?!

LadyJazzer wrote:

RenegadeCJ wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote:

pineinthegrass wrote: I just don't understand how people can think it's OK to force workers by law to join a union and pay union dues. And it's even harder to understand when you consider that part of those dues go to fund one political party. At least 23 states don't think it's OK either.

under federal law, any union member can pay only a proportional amount of the dues related to the collective bargaining process so that no part of their dues go to political campaigning. It just a conservative lie that all union workers are required fund political campaigns.

You ever been in a Union Dog? I was. Drove me nuts that my $$ was going to political causes instead of staying with the union. I was informed by an acquaintance that I could pay only the proportional amount used specifically for collective bargaining, so I asked the union steward about it. He told me we could discuss after work, and he and another union "gentlemen" met me in the parking lot as requested. I was told I could do that, but it would "really be unfortunate" for me to do so. Having seen some of the tactics used by the union during a strike, I decided it wasn't worth my health, my family health, or my belongings to rock the boat. I continued to stay on.

Being able to opt out is a fairy tale. Yeah, you can do it, but the thugs in the union will make sure if you do, you save no $$.

Oh, poor baby! Intimidated out of your legal rights?!?! And you?...Mr. stand-up-for-your-rights teabagger were unable to say "no"?!?! Who knew!?!?!

Yeah, just what I really wanted to do. Squeaking by paying my bills, watched friends get tires slashed, windows broken. Yep. You are right. I was intimidated. Evil bullies don't care about the law.

What would you know about that LJ....you ARE the bully. Of course you wouldn't be intimidated.

RenegadeCJ wrote: Evil bullies don't care about the law.

Y'know, I've noticed that...at voter registration drives in states with new voter-suppression laws; at family-planning clinics; at Democratic headquarters buildings; at condo complexes in Florida...

RenegadeCJ wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote:

RenegadeCJ wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote:

RenegadeCJ wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote:
the taxpayer has their elected representative at the bargaining table, and public union contracts are publicly reported.

My point exactly. The union elects a politician, then they "negotiate" with the politician. How convenient. Hey politician, you give us a freebie loaded contract, and we'll make sure you stay in your position!!

The union does not elect an elected official, the voters do.

Yes, but the union has massive amounts of $$ and votes going into elections. Unions hold a ton of sway.

And corporations have even more $$ as seen in the current election cycle.

Agreed. I don't like corporations negotiating with govt officials they put in either. I guess we agree, you shouldn't be able to work out financial arrangements with the people you personally put into office.

I agree, I would like campaign donations limited to individuals within the jurisdiction that you serve.

Something the Dog Said wrote:

RenegadeCJ wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote:

RenegadeCJ wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote:
the taxpayer has their elected representative at the bargaining table, and public union contracts are publicly reported.

My point exactly. The union elects a politician, then they "negotiate" with the politician. How convenient. Hey politician, you give us a freebie loaded contract, and we'll make sure you stay in your position!!

The union does not elect an elected official, the voters do.

Yes, but the union has massive amounts of $$ and votes going into elections. Unions hold a ton of sway.

And corporations have even more $$ as seen in the current election cycle.

Corporations are people my friend...

Something the Dog Said wrote:

RenegadeCJ wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote:
the taxpayer has their elected representative at the bargaining table, and public union contracts are publicly reported.

My point exactly. The union elects a politician, then they "negotiate" with the politician. How convenient. Hey politician, you give us a freebie loaded contract, and we'll make sure you stay in your position!!

The union does not elect an elected official, the voters do.

But the NEA likes to play with elections by holding school board contests & bond approvals at different times than the general election. Thankfully Colorado forces many of these tax increase onto the normal ballot.
Easier to influence an election when only 25% of people are voting.