If you want jobs, elect a Democrat

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Nobody that matters wrote: Lies, Damn lies, and statistics.

Feel free to provide evidence that actually rebuts the stats, or just keep spinning.

How many times has this discussion already taken place? How many times does the right have to point out the errors in Obama's job numbers? How many times do we have to rehash the same damn numbers?

It looks like, according to you, we all need to see all the distortions and outright lies from both sides at least one more time.

Of course you have no facts, so just run from the evidence.

You really don't get it do you? I could post opposing numbers that would be just as factual as yours.

But you're not worth the time.

So you don't have any facts.

Nope, not a one of 'em. You win. You're right. Democrats are the be-all-end-all keepers of all that is right and just, and Republicans are the personification of all seven of the deadly sins.

Great, now I have a new signature line.

Rats - I just figured out that the question to which your old sig line was the answer to was "How many central governments have failed that you can think of?"

Official unemployment rate, 8%, actual current rate 13%.

Keep Obama who is spending like a madman to keep this artificial rate low?

And what does he want to do? Give more money for college loans so graduates unemployment rate increases even more? Not only do we not have jobs for you, but we are going to burden you with $100K more of debt.

Yes, by all means, lets see if we can go from 14th out of 34 OECD countries for reading skills, 17th for science and a below-average 25th for mathematics. The sociopathic selfish/Rand-ians race-to-the-bottom won't be complete until we can screw the people who want a decent education...And, of course, if the unemployment rate that we were left with when Bush left office (also 8%) isn't any better, then they shouldn't go to college. So, what would you have them do?

Yep... Pond-scum and anthrax are definitely higher-lifeforms than the teabaggers...

LadyJazzer wrote: Yes, by all means, lets see if we can go from 14th out of 34 OECD countries for reading skills, 17th for science and a below-average 25th for mathematics. The sociopathic selfish/Rand-ians race-to-the-bottom won't be complete until we can screw the people who want a decent education...And, of course, if the unemployment rate that we were left with when Bush left office (also 8%) isn't any better, then they shouldn't go to college. So, what would you have them do?

Yep... Pond-scum and anthrax are definitely higher-lifeforms than the teabaggers...

No, I'd like to get away from that by getting out from under the "When school children start paying union dues, that's when I'll start representing the interests of school children" teacher unions. Enact vouchers, fire failing teachers, put in very limited tenure (not guaranteed), and make our education tops in the world again.

You are a bully LJ. You don't want to discuss anything in a rational fashion. You want to insult, tear down, and just destroy anyone you don't agree with by using foul terms to describe them. You don't want to discuss the message, just destroy the messenger.

Amazing, isn't it? The "progressive" line for the last 4 decades is that we need to spend more money on education so that our kids get a better education and yet the more we spend on schools, the worse the education that the children receive from the public school system. What's the Democrat's solution? More money into the public school system to fix the problem that more money into the public school system hasn't been able to fix. How's about we try something different for a change instead of more of the same thing that hasn't worked so far?

College tuition has skyrocketed compared to even medical costs as a result of federal subsidies spent to make it more accessible. For every increased dollar of subsidy, the cost has risen by at least 2 dollars. Maybe we should try fewer subsidies so that the colleges and universities have to price their products at an affordable level for a change? I don't know, but it seems to me that a Harvard education was more affordable to the child of a middle class worker before all the subsidies were created than it is now with all the subsidies, plus the student didn't have an accumulated debt load that it would take them years to retire upon their graduation.

LadyJazzer wrote: Yes, by all means, lets see if we can go from 14th out of 34 OECD countries for reading skills, 17th for science and a below-average 25th for mathematics. The sociopathic selfish/Rand-ians race-to-the-bottom won't be complete until we can screw the people who want a decent education...And, of course, if the unemployment rate that we were left with when Bush left office (also 8%) isn't any better, then they shouldn't go to college. So, what would you have them do?

Yep... Pond-scum and anthrax are definitely higher-lifeforms than the teabaggers...

But "W" isn't on the ballot in 2012. Barack, "I don't solve problems, I blame previous administrations" Obama is on the ballot.
I know in my workplace if I just blamed my predecessor instead of fixing his mistakes, I wouldn't be employed for long.

I am curious what people experienced here in the 285 world. Plus please look up causality.

Did you have better job opportunity or make more money when this guy or that guy was leading and was it because of them or because of you that you got your job.

I personally experience the most success under Bush, but I am sure his 9-11 wars/fearmongering made me do worse than I could have done. I have not done as good under Obama, but he has nothing really to do with it, that was coming to CO where the opportunities are not as many as some other places, as I have reached out to do business elsewhere outside of CO, I have seen much success in recent years.

After moving quite a bit and doing small business in far more places than I have moved, it is still location, location, location....and after that it is right now, right now, right now. The president is not on my list, neither is his party.

If you are waiting for the next opportunity to be handed to you or your kids, it may be worse times now than ever.

Again, please look up causality. Most people who rape eat bread, almost every day. Let's not make associations where they don't belong and specifically take away your power to make change.

Also jobs do not equal prosperity, jobs = slavery for most. Jobs are not opportunity, jobs are the chance to help someone else reach THEIR goals and get paid the least amount the market will bear, esp right now.

Self employment is the way to wealth and getting more resources than the next guy. The job opportunities are endless in this field, minimal training is required and most will never have to provide a resume. We should measure the economy by what % of the population is self employed, not simply employed.

popcorn eater wrote: I am curious what people experienced here in the 285 world. Plus please look up causality.

Did you have better job opportunity or make more money when this guy or that guy was leading and was it because of them or because of you that you got your job.

I personally experience the most success under Bush, but I am sure his 9-11 wars/fearmongering made me do worse than I could have done. I have not done as good under Obama, but he has nothing really to do with it, that was coming to CO where the opportunities are not as many as some other places, as I have reached out to do business elsewhere outside of CO, I have seen much success in recent years.

After moving quite a bit and doing small business in far more places than I have moved, it is still location, location, location....and after that it is right now, right now, right now. The president is not on my list, neither is his party.

If you are waiting for the next opportunity to be handed to you or your kids, it may be worse times now than ever.

Again, please look up causality. Most people who rape eat bread, almost every day. Let's not make associations where they don't belong and specifically take away your power to make change.

Also jobs do not equal prosperity, jobs = slavery for most. Jobs are not opportunity, jobs are the chance to help someone else reach THEIR goals and get paid the least amount the market will bear, esp right now.

Self employment is the way to wealth and getting more resources than the next guy. The job opportunities are endless in this field, minimal training is required and most will never have to provide a resume. We should measure the economy by what % of the population is self employed, not simply employed.

Good point, there will always be success stories, doesn't matter what kind of economy, ie Soviet black market, but a goverment that encourages business instead of one that sees the private economy as something to be controlled and leached off of is not going to create as many jobs, excepting regulators and people working to make sure the regulators don't shut them down.

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The Republicans answer to the economy? Go back to the Bush policies that destroyed our economy.

What was the major factor that caused the recession and what percentage of that factor can you attribute to a Bush policy?