Small signs of economic recovery?

16 May 2012 18:08 #1 by ScienceChic
This is just some first-hand observations, no hard facts or data, and I was wondering if anyone else has been seeing the same kinds of things?

I was chatting with one of my son's schoolmate's moms last week who is a realtor down here in Denver and she said that the market is going nuts - she's got 15 buyers who are waiting for homes to come available and pounce on stuff even before it's officially listed if they can find it. One home she sold recently went for $16K more than the asking price because people are getting into bidding wars - if a home is priced right, it's selling fast.

Another realtor I know in the mountains told me 2 months ago that homes in Bailey priced at $250K and under were selling like hot cakes.

Reading through my recent issue of Wine Spectator (yes, I am a wino; no, I don't need therapy!) :biggrin: there was an article that California is facing a vine shortage of epic proportions. Major vine nurseries were caught unaware by a recent dramatic increase in demand - vineyards had been holding off replacing older plantings and cultivating new land due to a global oversupply of wine followed by the recession, but now the excess is gone and they have cleaned out the nurseries and are placing orders for 2013 and 2014 for both red and white varietals.

Foreclosures are still happening, but seem to have slowed way down in frequency.

Is this a sign that we are starting back up? Is there any other anecdotal evidence to support this, or contradict this? Will rising energy prices or increasing numbers of expensive natural disasters put us right back down again? Thoughts?

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

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16 May 2012 18:13 #2 by Kate
I'm seeing that construction is coming back, as well.

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16 May 2012 18:18 #3 by Reverend Revelant

Science Chic wrote: This is just some first-hand observations, no hard facts or data, and I was wondering if anyone else has been seeing the same kinds of things?

I was chatting with one of my son's schoolmate's moms last week who is a realtor down here in Denver and she said that the market is going nuts - she's got 15 buyers who are waiting for homes to come available and pounce on stuff even before it's officially listed if they can find it. One home she sold recently went for $16K more than the asking price because people are getting into bidding wars - if a home is priced right, it's selling fast.

Another realtor I know in the mountains told me 2 months ago that homes in Bailey priced at $250K and under were selling like hot cakes.

Reading through my recent issue of Wine Spectator (yes, I am a wino; no, I don't need therapy!) :biggrin: there was an article that California is facing a vine shortage of epic proportions. Major vine nurseries were caught unaware by a recent dramatic increase in demand - vineyards had been holding off replacing older plantings and cultivating new land due to a global oversupply of wine followed by the recession, but now the excess is gone and they have cleaned out the nurseries and are placing orders for 2013 and 2014 for both red and white varietals.

Foreclosures are still happening, but seem to have slowed way down in frequency.

Is this a sign that we are starting back up? Is there any other anecdotal evidence to support this, or contradict this? Will rising energy prices or increasing numbers of expensive natural disasters put us right back down again? Thoughts?


In hard times, people always find money to drink. Drinking and other stimulant use increases during bad times. And do you know where those wine sales are going? Are they all sales to the US. How have the growing seasons and wine sales fared in Europe?

Foreclosures have slowed down because they are running out of homes to foreclose on.

Speculators and investors will always jump in to take advantage of a depressed market. We've done so our selves, selling a number of properties and purchasing a lot more And because of the depressed market, we are making a killing.

My answers are simply anecdotal.

Waiting for Armageddon since 33 AD

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16 May 2012 18:23 #4 by FredHayek
Due to the coming Facebook IPO in Silicon Valley homes are going right now for 100k over list! Biggest increase in equity in that region in 4 years. And locally NPR was reporting tonight that rents have an ultra low vacancy rate of 2%. A coworker sold his home in one day and quickly had to find someplace else to live. And SC don't you need to read Wine Drinker instead of Spectator? Sounds like people who watch wine tastings.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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16 May 2012 19:44 #5 by Rick
A friend of mine just bought a house after missing 3 that sold for at least 10k over asking price. He's been told that the lack of new construction and more people moving to Colorado has caused a housing shortage. I hope it's a national trend but I don't think so.

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17 May 2012 05:57 #6 by homeagain
In general, Colorado has ALWAYS run counter to the national economy........if the economy sucks nationally, Colorado tends to be ahead of the game and more stable, but when the National economy is humming along,we,here in Colorado tend to lag........seems like
it has been that way forever(speaking as a Colorado Native,been here many, many decades)......it is a good factor,BUT with Greece
and the Pigs,ECB problems the equation I just described,COULD be thrown out the window.....we ARE A GLOBAL ECONOMY......JMO

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17 May 2012 06:38 #7 by The Boss
We have an economy that is built on iphones and if we think things are good when people think a house is Bailey is worth $250k, we are sadly mistaken.

Things are looking better locally, I will admit, but the worse is yet to come, we are basing our economy on iphones and overpriced houses/education again.

The real economic crash has not even happened yet and there will not be a recovery as the govt is still involved in every aspect of money and people look to the president and other leaders to fix things that are only broken cause they are involved.

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17 May 2012 07:58 #8 by akilina
As popcorn eater said - the worst is yet to come.

All those who foolishly bought homes in Burland thinking the market was improving, even though they bought at what they thought were bargain prices are not trying to unload. And they aren't selling. More foreclosures yet to come.

Banks still have a huge backlog of homes in foreclosure.

IN NOVEMBER 2014, WE HAVE A GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY TO CLEAN OUT THE ENTIRE HOUSE AND ONE-THIRD OF THE SENATE! DONT BLOW IT!

“When white man find land, Indians running it, no taxes, no debt, plenty buffalo, plenty beaver, clean water. Women did all the work, Medicine man free. Indian man spend all day hunting and fishing; all night having sex. Only whit man dumb enough to think he could improve system like that.” Indian Chief Two Eagles

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17 May 2012 08:13 #9 by Rick

akilina wrote: As popcorn eater said - the worst is yet to come.

All those who foolishly bought homes in Burland thinking the market was improving, even though they bought at what they thought were bargain prices are not trying to unload. And they aren't selling. More foreclosures yet to come.

Banks still have a huge backlog of homes in foreclosure.

I haven't lived in Conifer since 1982 so I don't know which areas are more dersireable anymore. Is Burland kinda like the armpit of mountain communities up there?

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17 May 2012 09:01 #10 by homeagain

CritiKalbILL wrote:

akilina wrote: As popcorn eater said - the worst is yet to come.

All those who foolishly bought homes in Burland thinking the market was improving, even though they bought at what they thought were bargain prices are not trying to unload. And they aren't selling. More foreclosures yet to come.

Banks still have a huge backlog of homes in foreclosure.

I haven't lived in Conifer since 1982 so I don't know which areas are more dersireable anymore. Is Burland kinda like the armpit of mountain communities up there?


From a REALTOR perspective(I have been told BY realtors,I am NOT one).........in Bailey, the premium locations are Mill Iron D and
Deer Creek Valley Ranchos (other side of 285,where Burland is NOT located).......those are the sub-division that are the nearest to
285 (on 43) and are the "desirable" geographical areas......others MIGHT be,but are pretty far back......so more travel/gas time involved
IF I have missed others/feel free to correct me.

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