Bad News For Climate Change Deniers

26 Jun 2012 14:01 #1 by LadyJazzer

EPA Greenhouse Gas Rules Upheld By Federal Court

WASHINGTON -- A federal appeals court on Tuesday upheld the first-ever regulations aimed at reducing the gases blamed for global warming. The rules, which were challenged by industry groups and various states, will reduce emissions of six heat-trapping gases from large industrial facilities such as factories and power plants, as well as from automobile tailpipes.

A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals in Washington said that the Environmental Protection Agency was "unambiguously correct" in using existing federal law to address global warming.

The ruling is perhaps the most significant to come on the issue since 2007, when the Supreme Court found that greenhouse gases could be controlled as air pollutants under the Clean Air Act.

It also lands during a presidential election year where there are sharp differences between the two candidates when it comes to how best to deal with global warming.

The court on Tuesday denied two challenges to the administration's rules, including one arguing that the agency erred in concluding greenhouse gases endanger human health and welfare. The court dismissed arguments against two other regulations dealing with pollution from new factories and other industrial facilities, saying that no one challenging the rules could show they had been harmed by them.

Industry groups vowed to fight on.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/2 ... 27445.html

YES!... We must "fight on" to allow those ol' "job-creators" to continue destroying the planet in the name of profits! (And, heck, it gives Gov. Etch-a-Sketch something else to whine about while he's outsourcing [or is it off-shoring?...I can never remember] jobs to China, while giving the standard speech about "I won't let jobs go to China!")

You can't make this stuff up....

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26 Jun 2012 14:17 #2 by FredHayek
It no longer matters what the US does, India and China are out-polluting us and their economies are still expanding.

Obama's plan to reduce global warming? Keep America unemployed, no one needs to go to work, empty businesses don't need A/C or heat. So if India's economy expands by 5%? How much less energy does the US have to use, 10%?

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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26 Jun 2012 14:26 #3 by BearMtnHIB
yEA- just what our booming economy needs right now....

More regulations. This is Ideal.

But the power companies don't much care really- they just pass those additional costs on to their customers, the businesses and families who buy electricity. No big whoop.

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26 Jun 2012 14:33 #4 by LadyJazzer
Yeah paying a few more pennies for rates which were going to be raised anyway so the job-creators could make more profits is sooo much more distressing than allowing the power companies to pollute our atmosphere, raise the levels of greenhouse gases, speed up the melting of the ice packs, raising the sea-levels...

Don't you just hate it when profits have to take a back-seat to screwing the planet?

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26 Jun 2012 14:42 #5 by BearMtnHIB

Don't you just hate it when profits have to take a back-seat to screwing the planet?

You mis-understand how the power generation business works- the profit will remain the same, the power companies will simply pass those additional costs on down to their customers- which are businesses and Family residences- in other words houses that people live in.

Those are not "profits"- those are the dollars that the middle class earns and uses to pay the bills every month. You don't seem to care at all about the middle class. The middle class is being squeezed by regulations which are driving up the cost of everything.

The result is less economic activity- and a lower standard of living for the average working joe and jane.

But go ahead and gloat.

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26 Jun 2012 14:47 #6 by LadyJazzer
Yes, I will...And the whole GOP narrative that "every cent of taxes, regulation, etc." is passed on to the customer, is wearing thin. Studies have proven that most of it is absorbed by the business... But don't let me interrupt your GOP nightmare...

Yes... I AM gloating... Nice to see the National GOP Support Group, (i.e. the U.S. Chamber of Commerce) get slapped down...again....

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26 Jun 2012 14:50 #7 by FredHayek
Or the poor, one more unfilled prescription because the utility has to scrap working coal plants and replace them with natural gas.

Natural gas? One more lawsuit by anti-fracking forces raising rates that will once again be passed on to consumers. Those old people can stand to go without A/C.

Paid for by the businesses? Guess who owns utility & energy stocks? Seniors who will see bills rise and their dividends go down.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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26 Jun 2012 14:57 #8 by LadyJazzer
Spare me your "I'm worried about the 'poor'...and 'the old people'...and the "seniors"...." crap. Your hypocrisy can't stretch that far...

We all know that the Neo-Nazi Party, formally known as the "GOP", doesn't give a flip about them...

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26 Jun 2012 14:59 #9 by Martin Ent Inc
At least not the lefty ones, they will get help from the government.

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26 Jun 2012 15:02 #10 by BearMtnHIB
In fact- If my power bill goes from $200/month to $400/month- The power company still makes a fixed profit in Colorado- about 5%.

So really- they will make more money- this will result in more profit for the power companies.

But it will result in less money in the pockets of power consumers. Less money to spend on other things.

Power companies fight these regulations - not in their own interests- but in the interests of their customers. In recent years, they have started backing away from fighting regulations- they realize that their profits will go up with each additional regulation, and that increasingly- their customers keep voting for politicians who advocate for more regulations.

Like I said- no big whoop.

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