The $6,400 Myth

One of President Obama's regular attacks on Paul Ryan's Medicare reform is that it would force seniors to pay $6,400 a year more for health care. But merely because he keeps repeating this doesn't mean it's in the same area code of accurate.

The claim is based on a now out-of-date Congressional Budget Office estimate of the gap between the cost of health care a decade from now, in 2022, and the size of the House budget's premium-support subsidy for a typical 65-year-old in 2022.

The Wall Street Journal

Obama lied???? I am shocked, shocked I tell you.

Grady wrote:

One of President Obama's regular attacks on Paul Ryan's Medicare reform is that it would force seniors to pay $6,400 a year more for health care. But merely because he keeps repeating this doesn't mean it's in the same area code of accurate.

The claim is based on a now out-of-date Congressional Budget Office estimate of the gap between the cost of health care a decade from now, in 2022, and the size of the House budget's premium-support subsidy for a typical 65-year-old in 2022.

The Wall Street Journal

Obama lied???? I am shocked, shocked I tell you.

He didn't lie, he was commenting on Ryan's original proposal, and Ryan must have wanted that proposal....otherwise why would he have proposed it? The fact that he had to change it because of opposition from democrats and even some republicans doesn't mean that isn't EXACTLY what Ryan wants and will push for if he is elected VP and has a friendlier congress.

archer wrote:

Grady wrote:

One of President Obama's regular attacks on Paul Ryan's Medicare reform is that it would force seniors to pay $6,400 a year more for health care. But merely because he keeps repeating this doesn't mean it's in the same area code of accurate.

The claim is based on a now out-of-date Congressional Budget Office estimate of the gap between the cost of health care a decade from now, in 2022, and the size of the House budget's premium-support subsidy for a typical 65-year-old in 2022.

The Wall Street Journal

Obama lied???? I am shocked, shocked I tell you.

He didn't lie, he was commenting on Ryan's original proposal, and Ryan must have wanted that proposal....otherwise why would he have proposed it? The fact that he had to change it because of opposition from democrats and even some republicans doesn't mean that isn't EXACTLY what Ryan wants and will push for if he is elected VP and has a friendlier congress.

Did you not read >>>The claim is based on a now out-of-date Congressional Budget Office estimate

Yes I read it....and my post is valid, unless you believe the WSJ's interpretation of the CBO....who did say that Ryans original proposal would cost seniors more. Most people know that today's seniors aren't affected, we are concerned about those who come after us.

If the article is true, then Ryan is lying as well. His plan is based on drastically reducing the amount of medicare payments. According to the article, then Ryan will not be able to reach the amount of cuts to Medicare that he is claiming.

On the other hand, Romney's repeated claim that the current administration would gut the work requirements for welfare is an example of a politician blatantly and repeatedly lying

Why even argue about it? Romney lies, Obama lies.. Get over it and vote for the liar that you find least objectionable.

archer wrote: He didn't lie, he was commenting on Ryan's original proposal, and Ryan must have wanted that proposal....otherwise why would he have proposed it? The fact that he had to change it because of opposition from democrats and even some republicans doesn't mean that isn't EXACTLY what Ryan wants and will push for if he is elected VP and has a friendlier congress.

He did lie - the lie is one of omission. As Obama sits there a tells you that Ryan's plan will cost seniors $6400 more per year, he doesn't say starting in 2023, nor does he tell you that under the current plan, the one that was proposed as a compromise in conjunction with members of the party of Democrats, even future seniors will have the option of exactly the same MediCare that current seniors enjoy if that is what they desire to have. Why do Democrats always fail to include that bit of information when they talk about the plan a member of the Republican party has put forth?

No what else they never mention? Not once in 4 years has the president fulfilled his statutory obligation to propose legislation to address the problem of MediCare taking more than 45% of its revenue out of the general fund even though MediCare has taken more than 45% of its revenue out of the general fund each and every year Obama has been in office. He has simply ignored the law that Congress passed which requires that of him for the last 4 years.