Education Spending?

Democracy4Sale wrote: Yeah, screw 'em... The ones that aren't born with a silver-spoon in their mouths....like Mitt-the-Twit.... should just go get a job flipping burgers at McDonalds...

Other than insults what is your answer? Perpetuate a system that incurs tens of thousands in student loans and graduates them with a degree that qualifies them for a job flipping burgers.

This is a subject that has been discussed here many times before. Perhaps they were not partisan enough to catch your attention.

We need to overhaul our public universities and colleges and get rid of the curricula and odd courses that have little relevance. CU-Boulder has 105 fields of study and over 3400 courses. How many schools need to have a Classics field of study? Certainly not so many. And what do you DO with a major in this field? Of course, Dance is all important as a degree.

I'm not against these subjects. What I do wonder, is why does practically every school have the same programs? When you consider the number of high educational institutions, it's a waste of public money to offer so many of the same courses and fields of study. Wouldn't a few hundred work as well as a thousand?

Democracy4Sale wrote: Yeah, screw 'em... The ones that aren't born with a silver-spoon in their mouths....like Mitt-the-Twit.... should just go get a job flipping burgers at McDonalds...

Or Obama could pass a executive order saying college tuitions cannot increase more than the rate ofinflation for the next four years. The Left would love that. Or not allowed to increase tuition on returning students.

FredHayek wrote: [Or Obama could pass a executive order saying college tuitions cannot increase more than the rate ofinflation for the next four years. The Left would love that.

The left would hate that. :bash

2wlady wrote: We need to overhaul our public universities and colleges and get rid of the curricula and odd courses that have little relevance. CU-Boulder has 105 fields of study and over 3400 courses. How many schools need to have a Classics field of study? Certainly not so many. And what do you DO with a major in this field? Of course, Dance is all important as a degree.

I'm not against these subjects. What I do wonder, is why does practically every school have the same programs? When you consider the number of high educational institutions, it's a waste of public money to offer so many of the same courses and fields of study. Wouldn't a few hundred work as well as a thousand?

On that note here is an interesting piece. The quote pertains to 2 yr schools but IMO is applicable to 4 as well. To be clear IMO we have the best university system in the world. I think the proof of that is the # of students they attract from around the world.

The problem starts in K-12 which even LJ and I agree that $ is not the problem.

http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/06/more-r ... the-devil/

"Tests in at least five classes included jokes rather than questions, this in a sea of already dumbed-down questions. If asked what year the US Constitution was ratified “2010” might be one of the multiple choices. Asked which philosopher said X (always a quote, never a concept), one of the multiple choices might be “Professor Brown”—the teacher of the class—or “Santa Claus.”

An online class discussion of material is a regular feature in these programs. Your grade is determined by simply posting on the given subject, even in my Logic class. Statements such as ”I found the statistics section really hard!!” were given a grade of 100 for participation.

More delicately and to one of your points, several students I have been in class with should not have been there. Anyone can register and does. This last point is heartbreaking. It is not acceptable to witness the embarrassment and needless struggle some of these students go through. I can see it in their responses on the discussion boards. I worry about their feelings and their future. I can see the school system is perpetuating a deep injustice by not redirecting them. Volume in registration and passing grades are the goals, enrichment via learning disregarded.
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Blazer Bob wrote:

Democracy4Sale wrote: Yeah, screw 'em... The ones that aren't born with a silver-spoon in their mouths....like Mitt-the-Twit.... should just go get a job flipping burgers at McDonalds...

Other than insults what is your answer? Perpetuate a system that incurs tens of thousands in student loans and graduates them with a degree that qualifies them for a job flipping burgers.

This is a subject that has been discussed here many times before. Perhaps they were not partisan enough to catch your attention.

Oh, they caught my attention... But as usual, it was just more Rightie "let the bastards freeze in the dark" Randroid sociopathic drivel. You have no solutions other than "let 'em flip burgers."

Good points, BB. Thanks for the article. When I went to college in the '60's, I was shocked to find that there were remedial classes for students who didn't make the grade, even for freshmen. I wasn't the greatest student in high school, but I was more than ready for college courses. I couldn't believe that I was going to a college that let people in who weren't ready for it.

Now it's the norm. I wonder how long we've REALLY been dumbing down. I write many multiiple choice tests for technical courses (corporate world) and they are not easy. The students must read the situations carefully, use logic and technical knowledge, before making a choice.

BAs are not the problem. It's the industry, I suppose.

2wlady wrote: Now it's the norm. I wonder how long we've REALLY been dumbing down. I write many multiiple choice tests for technical courses (corporate world) and they are not easy. The students must read the situations carefully, use logic and technical knowledge, before making a choice.

BAs are not the problem. It's the industry, I suppose.

Concur. I do not know when it started ether but fear the decent is logarithmic rather than linear.

OTOH, we are still turning out cream of the crop graduates who could have a bright future and lead our country and world into this century. I would site our granddaughters but that would be unseemly.

I will say that I am very impressed by the local AP tracks. Platte Canyon High School, BZ.

Blazer Bob wrote:

Democracy4Sale wrote: Yeah, screw 'em... The ones that aren't born with a silver-spoon in their mouths....like Mitt-the-Twit.... should just go get a job flipping burgers at McDonalds...

Other than insults what is your answer? Perpetuate a system that incurs tens of thousands in student loans and graduates them with a degree that qualifies them for a job flipping burgers.

This is a subject that has been discussed here many times before. Perhaps they were not partisan enough to catch your attention.

She already said she will vote against any additional tax ( she needs to thank Tabor for the ability to do that), compassionate liberal that she is.

Democracy4Sale wrote: And I will vote against any additional tax-increases for Jefferson County....

Democracy4Sale wrote: Yeah, screw 'em...

Still haven't figured out the difference between federal spending for higher-education, grants and student-loan financing....and local K-12 funding at the county level... Let us know when you get through with your meaningless apples-and-oranges comparisons.

I can explain to you, but I can't understand it for you.