Redistribution

19 Sep 2012 18:31 #1 by otisptoadwater
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It's hardly news but those of you who have wealth and take a liberal stance on politics, consider what this really means to you. Those who already drank the Koolaid need not reply, it will just be more of the same robotic repetition of the same old deflections and standard BS defense of a failed President.

I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.

"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of him; better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry Ford

Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges; When the Republic is at its most corrupt the laws are most numerous. - Publius Cornelius Tacitus

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19 Sep 2012 18:39 #2 by Something the Dog Said
Poor Toad, what a sad, bitter world you must live in. Good thing you live in the echo chamber, the real world would be a frightening place for you.

"Remember to always be yourself. Unless you can be batman. Then always be batman." Unknown

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19 Sep 2012 18:51 #3 by LadyJazzer
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That one only goes back 14 years... I want to see the one of Willard holding down the crying kid and cutting his hair off because he "didn't conform." Or dressing up in the cop uniform and pretending to arrest his friends....That's a real knee-slapper I hear...

Isn't it cute that we have the toad to regurgitate the daily dose of desperate oh-god-what-do-we-do-now? stuff that the poor GOTP has to come up with to try to deflect from every daily screwup of the Mittens/Lyin'-Ryan campaign...

You know what I REALLY want to see???!!!

Those TAX-RETURNS! About 10-12 year's worth...

I have more respect for the working-poor family that has two kids, and because of the BUSH increases in exemptions and child-tax-credits pays no federal income tax, (but DOES pay all of the other payroll, property, state/local, gasoline, sales taxes); than I do for the sleazebag that is avoiding his tax bills using Cayman Islands tax shelters or Swiss banks.

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19 Sep 2012 20:58 #4 by Raees
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I like the way they edited out his answer after "Well I'm going to stop you right there..."

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19 Sep 2012 21:25 #5 by otisptoadwater
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Expected robotic responses out of the way for now, how much redistribution of wealth is enough? 50%? 80%? Should American citizens that are willing to work for a living, take financial risks, and open new businesses be able to earn anything at all?

I suspect that the same old Socialist suspects will reply that "...redistribution of wealth is for the common good of the people..." I don't want to live in a country that operates under Socialist policies and I hope that the majority of Americans are smart enough to realize four more years of Barry is the road to ruin.

I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.

"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of him; better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry Ford

Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges; When the Republic is at its most corrupt the laws are most numerous. - Publius Cornelius Tacitus

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19 Sep 2012 22:18 #6 by LadyJazzer
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That one only goes back 14 years... I want to see the one of Willard holding down the crying kid and cutting his hair off because he "didn't conform." Or dressing up in the cop uniform and pretending to arrest his friends....That's a real knee-slapper I hear...

Isn't it cute that we have the toad to regurgitate the daily dose of desperate oh-god-what-do-we-do-now? stuff that the poor GOTP has to come up with to try to deflect from every daily screwup of the Mittens/Lyin'-Ryan campaign...

You know what I REALLY want to see???!!!

Those TAX-RETURNS! About 10-12 year's worth...

I have more respect for the working-poor family that has two kids, and because of the BUSH increases in exemptions and child-tax-credits pays no federal income tax, (but DOES pay all of the other payroll, property, state/local, gasoline, sales taxes); than I do for the sleazebag that is avoiding his tax bills using Cayman Islands tax shelters or Swiss banks.

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19 Sep 2012 22:51 #7 by Blazer Bob
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Democracy4Sale wrote: That one only goes back 14 years... I want to see the one of Willard holding down the crying kid and cutting his hair off because he "didn't conform.".


Um, "that one only goes back 14 years" but you want to see what happened How many years ago??

What am I missing?

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19 Sep 2012 23:08 #8 by Raees
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Most of your brain.

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20 Sep 2012 07:55 #9 by Rick
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Why does it matter if he said it 14 years ago? He said about the same thing to Joe the plummer 4 years ago so nobody can say that he came to his sense with age. It's also very telling that the worthless media played the Romney video over and over for days yet this recording is curiously MIA.

The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.

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20 Sep 2012 08:13 - 20 Sep 2012 08:23 #10 by LadyJazzer
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Isn't interesting that--as usual--they pull this 14-year quote out-of-context, and leave off the rest of the sentence:

...because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level, to make sure that everybody has got a shot.

Imagine my surprise?!?!

Specifically, he said he believed in things like public schools and housing programs. That puts him on the same page as just about all Americans. Maybe Reince Priebus finds that scary because Obama referred to it as "redistribution." But if Mitt Romney wants to start campaigning on a pledge to ban public education because everybody doesn't deserve a fair shot at success, then please, go right on ahead. Make our day.

But of course, that's not what Mitt Romney is going to say. In fact, he will say the exact same thing as President Obama. To wit: here's what he just said today on Fox, trying to deflect attention from his fundraiser comments by attacking the same clip tweeted by Preibus.

I believe the right course for America is one where government steps in to help people in need—we're a compassionate people—but then we let people build their own lives. -- Mitt Romney


Uh, that's redistribution, at least in the sense that Obama was talking about. Which means Mitt Romney supports redistribution, even though he actually was trying to attack President Obama with those words. Maybe next time Romney should just stick to the fundraisers. At least most of the people there seem to like what he has to say.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/1 ... got-a-shot

Nice try at changing the subject, when they KNOW they've been destroyed with the words out of Mitt-the-Twit's own mouth: "[M]y job is is not to worry about those people."

Wait a minute, weren't these the position(s) of Mitt 'Thurston Howell III' RMoney:

Mitt Romney's Biggest Flip Flops

Is GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney "a strong believer in stating your position and not wavering," as he once bragged? Or is he, as his onetime presidential rival Gov. John Hunstman called him, a "perfectly lubricated weathervane"? Take a read and decide for yourselves.

ABORTION

Flip
"I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years, that we should sustain and support it. I sustain and support that law and the right of a woman to make that choice." — Debate with Sen. Edward Kennedy, 1994

"I will preserve and protect a woman's right to choose and am devoted and dedicated to honoring my word in that regard." — Massachusetts Gubernatorial Debate, 2002

Flop
"Look, I was pro-choice. I am pro-life. You can go back to YouTube and look at what I said in 1994. I never said I was pro-choice, but my position was effectively pro-choice. I changed my position." — Iowa Straw poll debate, 2007

"What I would like to see happen would be for the Supreme Court to say, look, we’re going to overturn Roe v. Wade and return to the states the authority to decide whether they want to have abortion or not, state by state. That’s the way it was before Roe v. Wade. So I am firmly pro-life." — Town hall meeting, Hopkinton, NH, 2011

HUNTING

Flip
"I purchased a gun when I was a young man. I've been a hunter pretty much all my life." — On the campaign trail in Keene, N.H., 2007

Flop
"Any description of my being a hunter is an overstatement of capability." — Comment to a reporter from the Austin American-Statesman, 2007

RONALD REAGAN

Flip
"I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush." — Debate with Sen. Edward Kennedy, 1994

Flop
"When I was running for office for the first time in 1994, I was trying to define who I was…. I’ve said since, and continue to reiterate, that one of my heroes is Ronald Reagan." — Q&A with Human Events, 2006

DON'T ASK, DON'T TELL

Flip
Romney once said he was in favor of "gays and lesbians being able to serve openly and honestly" in the military. — Letter to Log Cabin Republicans, 1994

Flop
"[Don't Ask Don't Tell has] been the policy now in the military for, what, 10, 15 years – and it seems to have worked. This is not the time to put in major change, a social experiment, in the middle of a war going on." — Presidential primary debate, 2007

VIETNAM

Flip
"I was not planning on signing up for the military. It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam." — Quoted by the Boston Herald, 1994

Flop
"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there and in some ways it was frustrating not to feel like I was there as part of the troops that were fighting in Vietnam." — Quoted by the Boston Globe, 2007

GUN CONTROL

Flip
"We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts. I support them. I won't chip away at them." — Gubernatorial debate, 2002

"Deadly assault weapons have no place in Massachusetts." — Signing ceremony for bill banning assault weapons, 2004

Flop
"I don’t support any gun control legislation, the effort for a new assault weapons ban, with a ban on semi-automatic weapons, is something I would oppose." — Interview with conservative bloggers, 2008

HEALTH CARE REFORM

Flip
"I like mandates. Mandates work." — Presidential primary debate, 2008

"I'm proud of what we've done. If Massachusetts succeeds in implementing [Romneycare], then that will be a model for the nation." — Speech in Baltimore, 2007

Flop
"At the time I crafted the plan in the last campaign I was asked is [Romneycare] something that you would have the whole nation do, and I said no. This is something that was crafted for Massachusetts. It would be wrong to adopt this as a nation." — Presidential primary debate, 2011

Bret Baier: "Governor, you did say on camera and in other places, at times you thought [Romneycare] would be a model for the nation."
Mitt Romney: "You're wrong, Bret." — Fox News interview, 2011

CLIMATE CHANGE

Flip
"I believe the world’s getting warmer. I can’t prove that, but I believe based on what I read that the world is getting warmer. And number two, I believe that humans contribute to that. ... And so I think it's important for us to reduce our emissions of pollutants and greenhouse gases that may well be significant contributors to the climate change and the global warming that you're seeing." — Town hall meeting, Manchester, NH, June 2011

Flop
"My view is that we don’t know what’s causing climate change on this planet. And the idea of spending trillions and trillions of dollars to try to reduce CO2 emissions is not the right course for us." — Q&A session, Pittsburg, PA, October 2011

BUSH TAX CUTS

Flip
"[R]omney spoke at the 10th annual legislative conference organized by U.S. Rep. Martin T. Meehan (D-Lowell) and met with the Massachusetts delegation. ... Congressional sources said that a point of contention arose when Romney refused to take a position on Bush’s massive, 10-year tax cut plan.” — Boston Herald, 2003

Flop
"McCain opposed President Bush’s tax cuts, Romney noted. 'I supported them,' the former governor said." — Quoted in The State (SC), 2007

TAX PLEDGES

Flip
"I'm not intending to, at this stage, sign a document which would prevent me from being able to look specifically at the revenue needs of the commonwealth. " — Quoted in Union-News, Springfield, MA, 2002

"Signing the pledge now sends a very clear message to those in Washington who have voted against tax relief and for tax hikes that such actions will never grow our regional and national economies." — Romney spokesman quoted in the Boston Globe, 2007

FLIP-FLOPPING

Flip
"I’m a strong believer in stating your position and not wavering." — Comments to NARAL Pro Choice Massachusetts, 2002

Flop
"I changed my position." — Iowa straw poll debate, 2007
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