Why Carriers Are So Damn Expensive

23 Nov 2012 09:22 #1 by Blazer Bob
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htnava ... 21122.aspx


"November 22, 2012: American nuclear aircraft carriers are expensive to operate. It’s not just the food and other supplies for the 5,600 people on board, or all the spare parts and fuel for the aircraft. A major expense is the periodic upgrades and refurbishments. For example, the USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71) will complete its mid-life refurbishment and refueling early next year. This RCOH (Refueling and Complex Overhaul) took over three years and cost $3.2 billion. The RCOH requires that the ship be partially dismantled so that the spent nuclear fuel can be replaced. This takes a little longer than your usual DPIA (Dry-docking Planned Incremental Availabilities) and usually costs a billion dollars or more. ".................

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23 Nov 2012 17:55 #2 by navycpo7
But still cheaper than building a new one. They will go through and do what usually cannot be done in a normal upkeep and overhaul period. The refuel of the reactors is a must but compared to the way it use to be done, they have come a long way. I also did not realize the TR was due already for mid life overhaul. I am a plank owner on it and made the maiden deployment on it also. First carrier to get underway with 10 squadrons.

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23 Nov 2012 20:07 #3 by ScienceChic
Plank owner??

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23 Nov 2012 20:16 #4 by otisptoadwater

Science Chic wrote: Plank owner??


I'd throw in an "avast yea land lubber" in my best imitation pirate accent but it's not common knowledge outside of those versed in Naval traditions:

A "plank owner" is an individual who was a member of the crew of a ship when that ship was placed in commission. Originally, this term applied only to crewmembers present at the ship's first commissioning. Today, however, it is often applied to members of a recommissioning crew as well. "Plank owner" is not an official Navy term, and has consequently been variously defined by different Navy units.

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq24-1.htm

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23 Nov 2012 20:24 #5 by navycpo7

otisptoadwater wrote:

Science Chic wrote: Plank owner??


I'd throw in an "avast yea land lubber" in my best imitation pirate accent but it's not common knowledge outside of those versed in Naval traditions:

A "plank owner" is an individual who was a member of the crew of a ship when that ship was placed in commission. Originally, this term applied only to crewmembers present at the ship's first commissioning. Today, however, it is often applied to members of a recommissioning crew as well. "Plank owner" is not an official Navy term, and has consequently been variously defined by different Navy units.

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq24-1.htm

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I was the 216th crewmember to report to the precommissioning unit. A lot of work involved in a PreCom unit. Then we commissioned and did various workups(training evolutions) to get ready to deploy. I did the same thing for the Abraham Lincoln also. The USS GEORGE WASHINGTON CVN 73 I was not part of the Precom but did make the Maiden deployment and the second one also, along with a bunch in between.

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23 Nov 2012 20:36 #6 by ScienceChic
Cool, thanks for the definition!

Sounds like you got around Navycpo! :wink: lol

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23 Nov 2012 21:27 #7 by archer
Well shucks, I thought the Navy was raising money by letting people buy a plank on their ships.

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23 Nov 2012 21:28 #8 by Blazer Bob
I was never a plank owner so perhaps cpo7 can debunk or confirm this. I have always heard that the last plank owner to detach from a command became the owner or at least the custodian of the commissioning pennant.

If I had been a plank owner of any USN vessel and this is true I would have fought to be the last man xfering.

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23 Nov 2012 21:34 #9 by otisptoadwater
I "own" plenty of planks all over the world in Goat Lockers (CPO clubs and Messes) on USN bases that currently exist and many that are no longer. navycpo7 is talking to the true intent of what a Plank Owner was and is meant to be. BZ and hand salute to you navycpo7!

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23 Nov 2012 22:22 #10 by ScienceChic

archer wrote: Well shucks, I thought the Navy was raising money by letting people buy a plank on their ships.

That was my initial thought as well, until I figured that they don't make many decks out of wood anymore so I thought I'd better ask. Glad I did, learned something new. :)

Blazer Bob wrote: I was never a plank owner so perhaps cpo7 can debunk or confirm this. I have always heard that the last plank owner to detach from a command became the owner or at least the custodian of the commissioning pennant.

If I had been a plank owner of any USN vessel and this is true I would have fought to be the last man xfering.

That would totally rock, I could see why you'd fight to be last!

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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