Rand Paul: Let Dems Pass Whatever They Want

07 Dec 2012 13:10 #11 by LadyJazzer

FredHayek wrote:

Raees wrote: That's a GREAT strategy: Republicans do nothing while the economy implodes then ask voters to elect them as the common sense candidates. They should go for it.


But the liberal talking point is that lowering tax rates doesn't help job creation. So bringing back the Clinton tax increases shouldn't hurt the American economy.

I read today that Clinton himself now says his tax hikes were too large.



"Some people say......"



No, the "liberal talking point" is that lowering PERSONAL tax-rates on the top 2% has virtually no impact on job-creation. Which the GOP's own suppressed report validated... That's not the same thing.

Yep...That's how Clinton was able to create 23.1 million new jobs....While Bush, with his failed, and unpaid-for tax-cuts, only created 3 million in 8 years. Boy, those facts are pesky things, aren't they? If tax-cuts were supposed to "create jobs" by the "job-creators", how come only 3 million jobs were created, while the the top-2% received 93% of the benefit of the created wealth?

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07 Dec 2012 13:29 #12 by Raees
And if Bush tax breaks for the top 2% help create jobs (the Republican talking point), where are all the jobs the tax breaks created?

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07 Dec 2012 13:46 #13 by FredHayek

LadyJazzer wrote:

FredHayek wrote:

Raees wrote: That's a GREAT strategy: Republicans do nothing while the economy implodes then ask voters to elect them as the common sense candidates. They should go for it.


But the liberal talking point is that lowering tax rates doesn't help job creation. So bringing back the Clinton tax increases shouldn't hurt the American economy.

I read today that Clinton himself now says his tax hikes were too large.



"Some people say......"



No, the "liberal talking point" is that lowering PERSONAL tax-rates on the top 2% has virtually no impact on job-creation. Which the GOP's own suppressed report validated... That's not the same thing.

Yep...That's how Clinton was able to create 23.1 million new jobs....While Bush, with his failed, and unpaid-for tax-cuts, only created 3 million in 8 years. Boy, those facts are pesky things, aren't they? If tax-cuts were supposed to "create jobs" by the "job-creators", how come only 3 million jobs were created, while the the top-2% received 93% of the benefit of the created wealth?


Not facts, just lofty assumptions. For example, the number of jobs you say Obama created, yet at least 7.7% of us are still unemployed after 4 years. Meanwhile you claim "W" created only 3 million jobs, but the unemployment rate was under 5%.
Numbers just don't work out.

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07 Dec 2012 13:57 #14 by LadyJazzer
Yeah, I guess the CBO, the BLS and the Wall Street Journal are all fudging the numbers... :lol:

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07 Dec 2012 14:31 #15 by FredHayek
39% of African American youth are still unemployed. Obama, just keep on doing what you are doing.
4 years and the rate has only increased. Most impotent president ever.

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07 Dec 2012 14:35 - 07 Dec 2012 14:42 #16 by LadyJazzer
Yeah... That's why the rate is down to 7.7% after Bush destroyed it... Why he's created 5.4 million jobs...after Bush only created 3 million in 8 years...

Jus' keep doin' what yer doin'....

Bush: Most incompetent president...ever.

Speaking of Youth & Jobs:

Jobs Report Shows Youth Unemployment Drop In Late 2012

The unemployment rate for millennials, ages 18 to 29, dropped by nearly two points in just three months, according to the latest figures from the U.S. Department of Labor released on Friday.

The non-seasonally adjusted unemployment rate for November 2012 among 18- to 29-year-olds was 10.9 percent, as calculated by Generation Opportunity, a right-leaning millennial advocacy group. Though that rate is higher than the national average of 7.7 percent, millennial unemployment is nearly two points lower than it was in August 2012, when the group's unemployment rate was at 12.7 percent.

Part of this can be attributed to the increase in service and retail employment, the sectors where young people most predominately find work. John M. Galvin, acting commissioner of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, said in a statement Friday that retail trade added 53,000 jobs in November, and 140,000 over the past three months.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/0 ... 58097.html

Darn... Another outrage-of-the-day talking point is going down... Not fast enough, I'm sure, to mollify the TeaPublicans... But since that was caused by the Bush recession too, it must suck to see your talking-points keep getting reduced by FACTS....

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07 Dec 2012 14:41 #17 by Something the Dog Said

FredHayek wrote: 39% of African American youth are still unemployed. Obama, just keep on doing what you are doing.
4 years and the rate has only increased. Most impotent president ever.

Most school kids are unemployed, probably much more so that 39%. Even those that do have after school jobs would not count towards full time employement. What is the rate for full time employment among white school kids?

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07 Dec 2012 15:09 #18 by FredHayek
Per Breitbart/Mike Flynn, Unemployment among black teens when Obama started was at 37%, and has increased to more than 39%. LJ claims all these jobs Obam has created, but only 146K were created last month.
500,000 black teens had jobs four years ago, this is down to 430K now. Luckily it is better for the 18-29 African-American crowd, only 18.5% of them are out of work.

And now with Obamacare coming into full force, driving up the cost of benefits, especially in the service industry, expect these rates of unemployment to rise.

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07 Dec 2012 15:14 #19 by LadyJazzer
Sux to be you, don't it? :biggrin:

More jobs created in 4 years than Bush created in 8 years... Manufacturing jobs coming back... New plants being built, and jobs brought back from the vulture-capitalists/off-shoring/out-sourcing slimebags like Mitt-Flop & Bain; Youth employment on the way up; Unemployment down... And the worst thing you can find to bitch about is that it isn't happening as fast as you'd like...And THAT in the face of the TeaPublicans doing everything they can to block any progress because they wanted to make Obama a "one-term president."

:lol:

It'll be nice to watch the GOTP finally suck it up and accept the tax-rate increases on the top-2%....

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07 Dec 2012 15:25 #20 by FredHayek
A measly 146,000 jobs are created, not even enough to keep up with population increase and you are cheering.

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